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SECTION 23
SOME KEY LESSONS FROM
MARX'S KAPITAL

Version 1 ... February 2025

  • Enterprises and replaces them with state-owned and operated so that indeed the whole 20th
  • century is an endless debate between the private and the public capitalism United
  • States private versus socialism Soviet Union
  • public what we concluded make a long story short what we

  • Some Key Lessons from Marx’s Kapital
  • 3:15:27
  • concluded was that Marx's Insight was not
  • primarily about public versus private to say the thing bluntly so the idea gets
  • across Marx didn't give a crap whether the in production was done by private a
  • public that's surprising to me that that's not what if you look through
  • the three volumes of capital which is really the mature work that he leaves I mean lots of other valuable stuff but

  • 3:16:00
  • that's the core those three and one day you and I are going to go over that in detail absolutely I spend most of my
  • adult life teaching that as a as a Prof I've taught people volumes 1 two and
  • three of capital so for those that are interested if if if you find what I have to say about the
  • American economy interesting this may trouble you I'm
  • just applying Marxist economics don't thank me it's
  • Marx and if that's new and interesting to you I'm pleased but it tells us more
  • about what you didn't learn in your life than anything else that's been there for allall anyway if you look at volume one
  • which is the only of the three volumes that marks himself actually wrote volumes 2 and three occurred after Marx
  • was dead and gone was put together Volume Two by his colleague Frederick
  • Engles and volume three because rles was then dead by a German Marxist who came

  • 3:17:02
  • after them named Carl kowsky so because I teach this stuff I know this stuff
  • right so volume one what Marx lays out there is a
  • critique of the capitalist way of organizing an
  • Enterprise not whether it's state or Pro you will not find in capital anything
  • about that it's not about whether state or private is better or worse this way
  • that that's not Mark's not interested in that never was barely wrote about the
  • state his work was what in capital focused on the
  • Enterprise if I wanted to use modern language I'd say Marx is a crit critic
  • of the microeconomic level of capitalism not so much the macro the micro what

  • 3:18:02
  • goes on in the Enterprise and his argument there is that the capitalist
  • Enterprise is governed by defined by the Ju position the the relationship
  • between the folks who run the Enterprise the owner the top manager the board of
  • directors if you have a corporate form and the mass of employees that this relationship of
  • capitalism demonstrates that it didn't make the break from slavery and
  • feudalism that it thought it did Master Slave Lord surf
  • employer employee and that the root of the problems of capitalism are right there
  • that's a problem the that way of organizing

  • 3:19:01
  • creates hostility animosity introduces
  • inefficiency on a staggering basis and then it blows
  • up and so if you want to make a transition from capitalism to something
  • really different you have to do it at the level of the Enterprise not that you don't talk about
  • public and private that's fine Collective individual all that that's perfectly part of a story you better
  • include the core and the core is have you been willing and now I'm going to
  • use language for Americans to point hard are you a Democrat with a small D or are
  • you not do you believe in democracy or do you not because if you do it has to
  • start in the Enterprise one person one vote everybody in the business has an

  • 3:20:02
  • equal say in what happens because you're all affected by the decisions what to
  • produce how to produce where to produce and what to do with the product you're all affected in an Enterprise by those
  • decisions but in capital ISM you're excluded if you're an employee from making them those are made by the
  • employer as they were in fism and slavery by Lord and
  • Master therefore the core of socialism would have to include whatever
  • else it is the transformation of the Enterprise from the capitalist
  • hierarchical system to a worker Co-op system that was not done in Russ Russia
  • and it wasn't done in China either so that's the issue that's what's going to be fought
  • out this Century that question speaking of this Century we're we're nearing the

  • 3:21:02
  • end of our conversation so I wanted to shift back toward what we can expect
  • going forward and I think in our last conversations our last two conversations
  • we've used this word prognosticator uh soothsayer and we've agreed that you're not a prognosticator
  • you're not a soothsayer but you do have a nor is anyone else nor is anyone else but you have a tremendous wealth of
  • historical information economical information and if anything gives us a hint about what's to come it's well
  • those are two of those things so I'm wondering maybe with particular reference to China to Donald Trump to
  • other Global states of Affairs what are you expecting out of the next four
  • years um what I'm expecting and I want to underscore I mean you're quite right but I want to

  • On How History Will Overwhelm Trump In the Next Four Years
  • 3:21:56
  • underscore I'm not predicting I don't have that power I don't think anybody
  • does um I believe Mr Trump is going to be
  • overwhelmed by history nor is he alone in that that has happened to most other
  • political leaders they and often their adoring publics uh
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