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SECTION 23
SOME KEY LESSONS FROM
MARX'S KAPITAL
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- Enterprises and replaces them with state-owned and operated so that indeed the whole 20th
- century is an endless debate between the private and the public capitalism United
- States private versus socialism Soviet Union
- public what we concluded make a long story short what we
- Some Key Lessons from Marx’s Kapital
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- concluded was that Marx's Insight was not
- primarily about public versus private to say the thing bluntly so the idea gets
- across Marx didn't give a crap whether the in production was done by private a
- public that's surprising to me that that's not what if you look through
- the three volumes of capital which is really the mature work that he leaves I mean lots of other valuable stuff but
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- that's the core those three and one day you and I are going to go over that in detail absolutely I spend most of my
- adult life teaching that as a as a Prof I've taught people volumes 1 two and
- three of capital so for those that are interested if if if you find what I have to say about the
- American economy interesting this may trouble you I'm
- just applying Marxist economics don't thank me it's
- Marx and if that's new and interesting to you I'm pleased but it tells us more
- about what you didn't learn in your life than anything else that's been there for allall anyway if you look at volume one
- which is the only of the three volumes that marks himself actually wrote volumes 2 and three occurred after Marx
- was dead and gone was put together Volume Two by his colleague Frederick
- Engles and volume three because rles was then dead by a German Marxist who came
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- after them named Carl kowsky so because I teach this stuff I know this stuff
- right so volume one what Marx lays out there is a
- critique of the capitalist way of organizing an
- Enterprise not whether it's state or Pro you will not find in capital anything
- about that it's not about whether state or private is better or worse this way
- that that's not Mark's not interested in that never was barely wrote about the
- state his work was what in capital focused on the
- Enterprise if I wanted to use modern language I'd say Marx is a crit critic
- of the microeconomic level of capitalism not so much the macro the micro what
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- goes on in the Enterprise and his argument there is that the capitalist
- Enterprise is governed by defined by the Ju position the the relationship
- between the folks who run the Enterprise the owner the top manager the board of
- directors if you have a corporate form and the mass of employees that this relationship of
- capitalism demonstrates that it didn't make the break from slavery and
- feudalism that it thought it did Master Slave Lord surf
- employer employee and that the root of the problems of capitalism are right there
- that's a problem the that way of organizing
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- creates hostility animosity introduces
- inefficiency on a staggering basis and then it blows
- up and so if you want to make a transition from capitalism to something
- really different you have to do it at the level of the Enterprise not that you don't talk about
- public and private that's fine Collective individual all that that's perfectly part of a story you better
- include the core and the core is have you been willing and now I'm going to
- use language for Americans to point hard are you a Democrat with a small D or are
- you not do you believe in democracy or do you not because if you do it has to
- start in the Enterprise one person one vote everybody in the business has an
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- equal say in what happens because you're all affected by the decisions what to
- produce how to produce where to produce and what to do with the product you're all affected in an Enterprise by those
- decisions but in capital ISM you're excluded if you're an employee from making them those are made by the
- employer as they were in fism and slavery by Lord and
- Master therefore the core of socialism would have to include whatever
- else it is the transformation of the Enterprise from the capitalist
- hierarchical system to a worker Co-op system that was not done in Russ Russia
- and it wasn't done in China either so that's the issue that's what's going to be fought
- out this Century that question speaking of this Century we're we're nearing the
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- end of our conversation so I wanted to shift back toward what we can expect
- going forward and I think in our last conversations our last two conversations
- we've used this word prognosticator uh soothsayer and we've agreed that you're not a prognosticator
- you're not a soothsayer but you do have a nor is anyone else nor is anyone else but you have a tremendous wealth of
- historical information economical information and if anything gives us a hint about what's to come it's well
- those are two of those things so I'm wondering maybe with particular reference to China to Donald Trump to
- other Global states of Affairs what are you expecting out of the next four
- years um what I'm expecting and I want to underscore I mean you're quite right but I want to
- On How History Will Overwhelm Trump In the Next Four Years
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- underscore I'm not predicting I don't have that power I don't think anybody
- does um I believe Mr Trump is going to be
- overwhelmed by history nor is he alone in that that has happened to most other
- political leaders they and often their adoring publics uh
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