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SECTION 6
WHY RICHARD WOLFF ENJOYS TUCKER CARLSON
Version 1 ... February 2025

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need some nice close to the soral farm or to give it valid validity it's very
dangerous I do think that Victor is a very careful thinker and he's not here so yes for sure I can't speak for him
but when I next speak with him I will certainly raise some of these points to
to it to get his opinions that's what I if I were in a room with him right right right right of course and but before we
move on I am curious to hear I mean I take it I assume I I know that you're somebody who likes to hear both sides of

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Why Richard Wolff Enjoys Tucker Carlson

an issue who likes to think about things care I want to learn are there any right-wing thinkers out there today or
political pundits or commentators who you do find to be genuinely insightful
and interesting I don't know what generally quite means uh genuinely I yeah no I I I
don't know what it means and I'm no Jud of how genuine they are but

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um the the guy who used to be on Fox News and then was kicked off and then
now Tucker Carlson yeah for example I think sometimes he's very good really yeah you like Tucker well like might be
a strong word no that's why I said genuine how genuine I don't know but I
find it interesting that he sometimes is able to
say do a piece of analysis very close to my own um from which I have learned and so
you know he does it in his way it's not quite the way I do it but he alerts me
to a relationship that I didn't give that much weight to so I'm grateful I'm grateful to anybody who teaches me so he
has on occasion taught me I mean other times he says things that I find
laughable and no interest you know other than the pathology of this kind of

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thinking that's why I don't know about genuine or general but he he's one from
whom I have learned and when I when I play with the internet and I come across right I usually stop and listen and try
to see how they construct for for example these days I'm
very interested in people whose work uh I have a occasionally learned
from as they in my judgment slavishly admire Trump in a kind of lopsided
enthusiasm that they don't normally show to anything including ideas and
personalities on the right but for Mr Trump they have really a almost an
adoration that makes them stop being as critical as I know they have been in
other circumstances I assume that will fade it after a walk maybe not but I have always made sure to look

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at that point of view to listen to it I do that in you know I'm interested
in Europe particularly so I've paid attention to the right-wing Marina Leen
I read her work sometimes her statements the uh in Germany your deuts I you may
remember I read French and German so those things are accessible uh to me and
I make sure to when there's a character who comes to my attention Victor Orban
in in Hungary um mostly though the leaders of these
countries are they're not very it's not an impressive group put it that way uh
there are some exceptions but not many and among the contending

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politicals um the most sophisticated discussion of
the French and German as far as I can tell I mean to take
seriously uh Mr Storer in England is is an effort there's nothing there just
there's nothing there I it just but it I don't want to be unfair I
mean it's no more or less and Mr Biden so something I find funny is that the
one reason I asked you about right-wing thinkers is I'm always looking to I'm
looking for for new and and interesting guests and I thought you might mention somebody I hadn't heard of but you
mentioned Tucker Carlson which is uh funny to interpret that obviously this wasn't your intention as an invitation
to have Tucker Carlson on the show no but but he do you know he doesn't need
exposure he doesn't need opportunity because he writes his own and he

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right now I'd like to ask just two more questions about the election before we
move on from the election and these are things that have come to mind as you've been speaking I remember that your wife
is a therapist yes and I also know that you have some interest in psychoanalysis
yes and you have mentioned a couple of times in this conversation that involved
in Trump and his policies is this hodg podge of contradictions and what this makes me
wonder is whether you think that there's something that psychoanalysis as a form of cultural
analysis might tell us about the election is there something going on in America's
subconscious that led them to that led people to vote for Trump some sort of
contradictory sure I the reason I focus on

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economics is not that I'm an economist it's I'm an economist
because I became fascinated by the economic dimension of things
so I would like to say that it's not you know the old joke if you're a carpenter
then everything looks like a nail it's not that it's that the economics and I
can tell you just for myself as I as I went through when I arrived as a
freshman in college I wanted to be a
biochemist that was my intention I had been a science kind of person in high
school and I wanted to be and my first semester was all math physics
chemistry second semester biology um so here I am an economist I obviously

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didn't do that didn't make that my career and that's
because I discovered that the questions I
had about the economic system which came out of my
life my family my conversation particularly with my father and so on
and that those most questions were never answered by the
teachers that I would say and I think I mentioned this to you before that those
teachers either didn't know the answer which was often the case or they did and either told me
rarely or showed me more often that they really didn't want me to
pursue this in the class with my hand up I was a good student I got all a and
blah blah my parents made sure of that uh so I had the teachers were friendly

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to me they weren't wasn't oppositional um a couple of exceptions
but not many they were afraid and I think the fear in their
eyes which I pursued by going to their offices and just sitting one on-one with them where they told me what they were a
I realized that was right I saw fear and they told me well that they were afraid
they didn't want this they wouldn't mind talking with me in their office but and then they basically explained to me what
I verified later anyway that and this is Harvard so you might think it wasn't
you'd be wrong it was not good for your career this you they were concerned they
don't know how a conversation in which I ask questions dealing with Marxism and
they answered them would lead students to begin to say oh not teacher without meaning the teacher any harm but the

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students would chitchat and and all that they were afraid and I
think my interest combined with their unwillingness or
incapacity to answer them drew me into the F so if you ask me
why do I focus on economics because the environment in which I was educated
couldn't handle it it was a taboo you know it's like saying to someone why are
you interested in sex if they're honest they'll tell you whatever the manifold
reasons might be one of the reasons is is a big taboo and when they ask
questions Aunt Louise freaked out or their father told them to go talk to the mother and vice ver all the we all know
this and that's that's part of why we're interested in Saints because it has been

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handled in the bizarre ways that our culture does that I'm I'm interested in
economics because I think it helps explain things but much more important
it's the missing thing in the explanations otherwise we're stuck with
work at the level of your representation I want to hold Mr Hanson but the way you
representative which I assume is the perfectly reasonable way of doing it
that I don't want to work at that level that that that's for me that's not serious
stuff and by the way Tucker cson sometimes really goes after the
economics you and you can see that even even today what did I see today oh yeah
coming here in the taxi there was a little ad a poit iCal
ad bust the slogan was bust big

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Pharma okay I found that interesting I am agreeing with I would I
would like to bust big farmer too but I'm surprised that somebody raised the
money to do this sort of thing okay that's sort of interesting and I I have
noticed in some right-wing pieces I've read a immense hostility to Big
farmer a hostility which the rightwing didn't use to do but it's doing it now
yeah what's what's that they've just that's an allowable area yet to watch the inauguration of Mr
Trump and to see immediately in the front row of the people sitting behind him the billionaires of our time not the
governors not the Supreme Court Justice who who's who is the celebrate and their

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achievement is they have a lot of money and they're going to be with this President he wants them there that's why
they're there they want to be there and he wants them there this is very
interesting and so he can go after big Farmer they don't stop him they
don't they carefully avoid going there but big farmer is not that far from big
high tech which is what coming next anyway and we'll see how Mr Trump deals

Why Unemployment Tanked Harris in the Election

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with it since economics is I mean naturally it keeps coming up I the the
last thing I wanted to ask about this election specifically is whether you
also account Beyond this large scale change narrative for the outcome of the election with an appeal to economic
factors like I know inflation for instance plagued Biden for very long time but are there other economic