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In this breaking moment, Mark Carney delivers a sharp and decisive response that directly challenges Donald Trump’s narrative. With calm authority and strategic clarity, Carney reframes the global conversation and highlights why Canada’s position on the world stage speaks for itself.
This video breaks down what was said, why it matters, and how this exchange is resonating internationally. If you want clear context, key takeaways, and the bigger picture behind this political clash, you are in the right place.
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Peter Burgess COMMENTARY
Peter Burgess
Transcript
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- You know, I've spent decades watching
- politicians give interviews. I've seen
- them sweat under pressure. I've seen
- them dodge, deflect, and desperately try
- to change the subject when the questions
- get uncomfortable. I've watched leaders
- from both parties stumble through the
- most basic inquiries about their own
- policies. And I have to tell you, after
- everything I've witnessed in American
- politics, after everything I've seen in
- the last several years, especially what
- I just watched from Canada genuinely
- stopped me in my tracks. This wasn't
- your typical political interview. This
- wasn't some carefully managed media
- appearance designed to avoid
- controversy. This was something else
- entirely. This was a leader who sounded
- like he actually knew what he was doing.
- And in the current climate with
- everything happening south of the
- Canadian border, that kind of clarity,
- that kind of calm, that kind of
- confidence, it stands out in a way that
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- should make every American sit up and
- pay attention to what's happening with
- our northern neighbor. I'm talking about
- Mark Carney's year-end interview. And I
- have to be honest with you, it's one of
- the most striking political performances
- I've seen in a very long time. Not
- performance in the theatrical sense,
- mind you. That's precisely what made it
- so remarkable. There was no theater
- here. There was no bluster. There was no
- chest thumping or name calling or wild
- accusations thrown around to distract
- from substance. Instead, there was
- something that has become increasingly
- rare in North American politics. There
- was a leader who spoke with precision,
- with patience, and with what I can only
- describe as genuine strategic vision. Uh
- the contrast with what we've been
- experiencing here in the United States
- couldn't be more stark. And I think that
- contrast is exactly what Carney wanted
- the world to notice. He wanted Trump to
- notice. He wanted Americans to notice.
- And frankly, having watched it closely,
- I think he succeeded. The interview
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- began with a question that cut right to
- the heart of the matter. With Trump
- facing midterm elections and the Supreme
- Court potentially ruling on whether his
- tariff scheme is even legal, the
- interviewer essentially asked Carney
- whether Canada's strategy might simply
- be to wait Trump out to let events take
- over, to run out the clock until
- Washington's chaos resolves itself one
- way or another. Now, most politicians
- would have danced around that question.
- they would have offered platitudes about
- respecting the democratic process or
- hoping for constructive dialogue. Carney
- did neither. His response was direct and
- it was devastating in its simplicity. He
- said, and I'm paraphrasing only slightly
- here, that certainly a strategy is not
- to rush into a bad deal. That's what
- they've been disciplined about. And then
- he added something that I think reveals
- the entire Canadian approach to this
- moment. He said that every week that
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- goes by, the more Canada develops its
- economic strategy at home, the more it
- develops relationships abroad, the
- stronger Canada gets. Think about what
- he's actually saying there. He's saying
- that time is on Canada's side, not
- Trump's. He's saying that patience isn't
- weakness. Patience is power. What struck
- me most about that response was what
- Carney didn't do. He didn't shout. He
- didn't threaten. He didn't pound his
- fist or raise his voice or engage in any
- of the theatrical displays of strength
- that we've become so accustomed to in
- American politics. He simply stated a
- fact calmly and clearly and let the
- implications speak for themselves.
- Canada is getting stronger every single
- week this situation continues. Canada is
- building relationships around the world.
- Canada is developing its own
- capabilities and reducing its dependence
- on the United States. And meanwhile,
- what is happening here? Chaos,
- uncertainty, legal challenges, political
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- turbulence, markets gyrating wildly
- based on whatever impulsive statement
- comes out of Washington on any given
- morning. Carney didn't need to point any
- of that out explicitly. The contrast
- made itself obvious. And that, I think,
- is the mark of genuinely sophisticated
- political communication. Sometimes the
- most powerful statement is the one you
- don't have to make out loud. Then came
- what I consider one of the most
- significant policy announcements
- embedded in this interview. Carne talked
- about defense spending, about the $80
- billion Canada is investing in its
- military capabilities. But it wasn't
- just the number that caught my
- attention. It was where that money is
- going. For decades, and I mean literally
- for generations, Canada bought most of
- its defense equipment from the United
- States. 70 cents of every defense
- dollar, according to Carney, went south
- of the border to American contractors.
- That arrangement made sense in a world
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- where the United States was a reliable
- ally, where the partnership between our
- two countries was built on mutual trust
- and shared values. But Carney made it
- abundantly clear that Canada no longer
- believes that world exists. That era is
- ending. Those defense dollars are now
- going to be spent in Canada, developing
- Canadian industry, building Canadian
- capability, creating Canadian jobs. This
- isn't just about military hardware. This
- is about sovereignty. This is about a
- country deciding that it can no longer
- afford to be dependent on a partner that
- has proven itself unreliable. And that
- more than anything else in this
- interview tells you exactly how much
- damage has been done to the relationship
- between our two countries. I want to
- pause on that point for a moment because
- I think Americans need to understand
- what's actually happening here. This
- isn't Canada throwing a tantrum. This
- isn't some temporary political spat that
- will blow over once everyone calms down.
- This is a fundamental reorientation of
- Canadian strategic thinking. They are
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- actively working to reduce their
- dependence on the United States in every
- dimension, economic, military,
- political. They are building
- relationships with other partners around
- the world. They are investing in their
- own capabilities rather than relying on
- American systems and American
- contractors and American goodwill. And
- they are doing all of this not because
- they want to, not because they ever
- wanted the relationship to deteriorate
- to this point, but because they have
- concluded that they simply cannot rely
- on us anymore. When your closest ally,
- the country with whom you share the
- longest undefended border in the world,
- decides that they need to hedge against
- you, that they need to build
- alternatives to depending on you, that
- tells you something profound about how
- far things have fallen, and it should
- concern every American who cares about
- our standing in the world. What Carney
- revealed next in this interview
- genuinely surprised me, and I don't
- surprise easily, when it comes to
- politics. He discussed the fact that
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- conservative members of parliament,
- people who built their entire careers
- opposing the Liberal Party, have
- actually defected to support his
- government. Now, I've been around
- politics long enough to know that party
- switching happens. It's not unheard of.
- Politicians occasionally cross the aisle
- for various reasons, some principled,
- some purely opportunistic. But the way
- Carney described what's happening in
- Canada right now suggests something much
- more significant than typical political
- maneuvering. He made it clear that these
- Conservative MPs weren't lured or
- courted in the traditional sense. They
- came willingly. They approached his
- government, not the other way around.
- They were attracted, as he put it, by
- what the government is actually doing.
- That distinction matters enormously.
- When opposition politicians voluntarily
- abandon their own party to support a
- leader from the other side, it tells you
- something important about the political
- gravity in that country. It tells you
- that even people who might disagree on
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- policy, who might have spent years
- fighting against the Liberal Party on
- ideological grounds, have concluded that
- this particular moment requires
- something different. They've concluded
- that Canada's situation is serious
- enough that partisan considerations have
- to take a backseat to national interest.
- I found myself reflecting on what it
- would take for something similar to
- happen here in the United States. Can
- you imagine Republican members of
- Congress voluntarily defecting to
- support a Democratic president, not
- because they were promised committee
- assignments or campaign contributions or
- any of the usual enducements, but simply
- because they believed the country needed
- steady leadership in a moment of crisis.
- I struggle to picture it honestly. Our
- political culture has become so tribal,
- so consumed by partisan warfare that the
- idea of putting country over party often
- seems like nothing more than an empty
- slogan. But in Canada, apparently, it's
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- actually happening. Conservative MPs are
- looking at Mark Carney, looking at his
- calm demeanor and his clear strategy and
- his disciplined approach to an
- extraordinarily difficult situation. and
- they're concluding that this is the
- leadership Canada needs right now.
- They're concluding that even if they
- disagree with him on various policy
- matters, the alternative is worse. And I
- have to tell you, watching this from the
- American perspective, there's something
- both admirable and painful about seeing
- that kind of pragmatism in action. It
- reminds me of what politics could be if
- people actually took governing
- seriously. The interviewer pressed
- Carney on his identity as a politician,
- noting that he didn't used to describe
- himself that way. Carney acknowledged
- the shift with what I can only call
- refreshing honesty. He admitted that
- yes, he is now a politician. He is the
- prime minister after all, but he added
- that he's still a pragmatist. That
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- combination, politician and pragmatist,
- isn't something we see very often. Most
- politicians are skilled at the political
- game, but seem to have forgotten or
- perhaps never learned how to actually
- solve problems and accomplish things.
- They know how to win elections, how to
- raise money, how to attack their
- opponents, how to generate outrage and
- harvest it for partisan advantage. But
- ask them to actually govern, to make
- difficult decisions, to build coalitions
- around practical solutions, and many of
- them seem completely lost. Carney, by
- contrast, came to politics from a
- completely different background. He ran
- the Bank of Canada. He ran the Bank of
- England. He navigated multiple financial
- crises and earned a reputation for
- competence and steady judgment in
- extraordinarily difficult circumstances.
- He wasn't trained in the art of
- political posturing. He was trained in
- the art of actually managing complex
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- systems and getting things done. And you
- can see that difference in how he
- carries himself and how he answers
- questions and how he approaches the
- entire enterprise of leading a country.
- What I found particularly compelling was
- Carney's assessment of where Canada
- stands 9 months into his government. He
- didn't hedge or qualify or offer the
- usual politicians disclaimers. He stated
- flatly that Canada is in a better
- position now than it was when he took
- office. The economy is better. They have
- a plan. They're implementing that plan.
- and they're making progress
- internationally. They're becoming more
- independent as a country. Now, you might
- say that every politician claims things
- are going well under their leadership.
- And that's true to some extent, but
- there was something about the way Carney
- said it that conveyed genuine conviction
- rather than political spin. He wasn't
- puffing himself up or taking credit for
- things he didn't do. He was simply
- describing in his characteristically
- calm and factual manner the trajectory
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- he believes Canada is on. And given
- everything I've observed about how he
- conducts himself, I'm inclined to
- believe he actually means it. He
- actually believes Canada is getting
- stronger, more capable, more
- independent. And honestly, watching from
- here in the United States, watching our
- own political dysfunction and chaos and
- uncertainty, I don't find that claim
- hard to believe at all. Then came what
- might be the most consequential
- revelation in the entire interview. And
- I want to make sure people understand
- just how significant this is. Carney
- explained that virtually everybody in
- the world wants to do more with Canada
- right now. He wasn't exaggerating for
- effect. He wasn't engaging in wishful
- thinking. He laid out specific examples
- that make the case undeniably clear.
- Asian countries want to work with
- Canada. The Philippines, Thailand,
- Singapore, the entire Azon block
- representing almost a quarter of global
- GDP. Indonesia wants to work with
- Canada. The European Union wants to work
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- with Canada. The United Kingdom wants to
- work with Canada. The Gulf States want
- to work with Canada. And then he dropped
- what I consider the most stunning detail
- of all. The United Arab Emirates has
- committed to investing 70 billion
- dollars in Canada. 70 billion. And
- according to Carney, Canada didn't even
- ask for it. They volunteered. They came
- to Canada because they want to be
- partners with a country that has what
- the world wants, that has values the
- world respects, that offers reliability
- and stability and predictability at a
- time when those qualities are in
- desperately short supply. Think about
- what that means in the broader context
- of global affairs. For decades, the
- United States was the indispensable
- nation. We were the country everyone
- wanted to work with, invest in, partner
- with. Our stability, our rule of law,
- our predictable institutions. These were
- our greatest strategic assets. They made
- us attractive to allies and investors
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- alike. They gave us leverage in every
- negotiation because everyone knew that a
- deal with America would be honored, that
- American commitments meant something,
- that American institutions would outlast
- any particular administration. But what
- Carney is describing suggests that
- calculus is shifting in real time. The
- world is looking at Trump's America and
- seeing chaos, unpredictability, tariffs
- imposed on a whim, allies treated like
- adversaries, fundamental norms violated
- on a daily basis. And then they're
- looking at Canada and seeing something
- very different. They're seeing
- stability. They're seeing reliability.
- They're seeing a government with a
- coherent plan and the discipline to
- execute it. and they're making rational
- decisions based on that contrast.
- They're choosing Canada, not because
- Canada is perfect, not because Canada
- has suddenly become a superpower, but
- because Canada is offering something
- America no longer seems capable of
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- providing trust. I want to spend some
- time on something Carney said that
- really crystallized the shift in
- Canada's global position because I think
- it illustrates just how dramatically the
- landscape has changed. He talked about
- the coalition of the willing supporting
- Ukraine. Now, that phrase coalition of
- the willing has a particular resonance
- for those of us who remember the leadup
- to the Iraq war. Back then, the United
- States assembled its own coalition of
- the willing to support that military
- intervention. We were the ones doing the
- assembling. We were the ones setting the
- agenda. We were the indispensable nation
- around which other countries organized
- themselves. But look at what's happening
- now. There's a coalition of the willing
- supporting Ukraine and the United States
- is not a member. Let me say that again
- because I think it bears repeating.
- There is an international coalition
- working to support Ukraine to help shape
- the possibility of a lasting peace and
- America is not part of it. Canada is,
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- major European countries are, Australia
- is, the United Kingdom is, but the
- United States under this administration
- has stepped back from that role. We've
- abdicated our position and Canada along
- with other allies has stepped into the
- vacuum we left behind. This represents
- something far more significant than a
- single policy disagreement about
- Ukraine. It represents a fundamental
- reordering of how the democratic world
- organizes itself. For generations, the
- assumption was always the same. America
- leads. Everyone else follows. American
- power, American resources, American
- diplomatic weight. These were the
- foundation on which international
- coalitions were built. But when America
- stops leading, when America becomes
- unreliable, when America starts treating
- its allies as adversaries and its
- adversaries as friends, other countries
- have to adapt. They have to find new
- ways of organizing themselves. They have
- to build coalitions without us. And
- that's exactly what's happening right
- now. Carney described Canada's role in
- this new reality not with arrogance or
- triumphalism, but with a kind of sober
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- recognition of what the moment demands.
- Canada is helping to shape international
- outcomes. Not because Canada sought this
- role, not because Canada ever wanted to
- replace American leadership, but because
- someone has to do it. Someone has to
- step up. And if America won't, then
- America's allies will figure out how to
- proceed without us. What makes this
- particularly striking is the contrast in
- how Carney handles pressure compared to
- what we've grown accustomed to seeing
- from American leaders. The interviewer
- at one point essentially called him a
- hypocrite. This was about the memorandum
- of understanding with Alberta regarding
- pipeline expansion. After spending so
- much of his career warning about climate
- change, after building a reputation as
- someone deeply concerned about
- environmental issues, here was Carney
- backing an expansion of the oil sands.
- The journalist didn't soften the
- accusation. He asked directly whether
- Carney looked like a hypocrite. Now,
- I've seen countless politicians faced
- with that kind of pointed challenge. And
- the responses almost always follow a
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- predictable pattern. They get defensive.
- They get angry. They attack the premise
- of the question. They accuse the
- interviewer of bias or unfairness. They
- do everything they can to avoid actually
- engaging with the substance of the
- accusation. Carney did none of that. He
- stayed completely composed. He didn't
- raise his voice or show any sign of
- being rattled. He simply laid out his
- reasoning in clear, logical terms. His
- explanation was genuinely sophisticated.
- And I say that as someone who has
- followed climate and energy policy
- debates for many years. He started with
- the basic reality that the world is
- going to use hydrocarbons for coming
- decades. That's not a wish or a
- preference. That's just the factual
- reality under virtually any scenario,
- including the most aggressive climate
- action scenarios modeled by the
- International Energy Agency. Even under
- net zero projections, the world will
- still be using 25 to 30 million barrels
- of oil per day, down from a 100 million,
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- yes, but still substantial.
- Given that reality, Carney argued, the
- question becomes, what kind of oil will
- be used? and his answer was clear. Low
- cost, low risk, low carbon. That last
- point, low carbon, is what makes the
- Alberta agreement defensible in his
- view. At the center of the memorandum is
- a project called Pathways that will
- remove 16 megat tons of carbon from
- Alberta's oil production. That's the
- equivalent, he explained, of taking 90%
- of the cars and trucks in Alberta off
- the road. In other words, if the world
- is going to keep using oil regardless of
- what Canada does, better that it be oil
- produced with minimal carbon emissions
- than oil produced in countries with far
- worse environmental standards. You may
- agree with that logic or you may
- disagree with it. That's a legitimate
- policy debate and reasonable people can
- come down on different sides. But what
- you cannot deny is that Carney clearly
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- knows what he's talking about. He wasn't
- winging it. He wasn't making things up.
- He wasn't trying to change the subject
- or attack the interviewer for asking an
- uncomfortable question. He engaged
- directly with the substance, laid out
- his reasoning, acknowledged the tensions
- and trade-offs involved, and defended
- his position with evidence and logic.
- That's what actual leadership looks
- like. That's what it means to take
- policy seriously rather than treating
- every question as just another
- opportunity for political theater.
- And watching it from here, watching it
- after years of American politics
- dominated by bluster and bullying and
- proud ignorance, I found it genuinely
- refreshing. I found myself thinking,
- 'This is what it looks like when a
- country is led by someone who actually
- understands complex issues and can
- articulate coherent strategies for
- addressing them.' The environmental
- dimension of this interview deserves
- more attention because it illustrates
- something important about how Carney
- approaches difficult trade-offs. Climate
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- change is real. The science is clear.
- The risks are enormous. Carney has spent
- years warning about these dangers. And
- there's no reason to doubt his genuine
- commitment to addressing them. But he
- also recognizes that governing a real
- country with a real economy and real
- people whose livelihoods depend on
- fossil fuel industries requires more
- than ideological purity. It requires
- finding ways to transition toward a
- cleaner future while also meeting the
- needs of the present. It requires
- acknowledging that you can't simply shut
- down industries overnight and expect
- everything to work out. It requires the
- kind of pragmatic incremental progress
- that purists on both sides often
- dismiss, but that actually produces real
- improvements in the real world. That's
- the approach Carney is taking. And
- whether you agree with every specific
- decision or not, it's hard to deny that
- it reflects a serious engagement with
- the genuine complexity of these issues.
- What I kept coming back to throughout
- this interview was the sheer contrast in
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- temperament and approach between Carney
- and the American leader who has created
- this entire crisis. On one side, you
- have Trump with his constant chaos, his
- impulsive tariffs, his attacks on
- allies, his embrace of authoritarians,
- his complete lack of coherent strategy
- or disciplined execution. On the other
- side, you have Carney with his calm, his
- patience, his clear articulation of
- goals and methods, his willingness to
- engage substantively with difficult
- questions. It's not just a difference in
- policy. It's a difference in fundamental
- approach to leadership. Trump seems to
- believe that strength is demonstrated
- through volume and aggression, through
- dominating every interaction, through
- never admitting error or uncertainty.
- Carney seems to believe that strength is
- demonstrated through competence and
- consistency, through having a plan and
- executing it, through building genuine
- capabilities rather than just talking
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- about them. These are fundamentally
- different visions of what leadership
- means. and watching them play out side
- by side, it's hard for me to see how
- anyone could look at the evidence and
- conclude that Trump's approach is
- producing better results. As I reflect
- on everything I witnessed in this
- interview, I keep returning to one
- inescapable conclusion. We are watching
- a fundamental shift in how Canada sees
- itself and its place in the world. And
- that shift has profound implications not
- just for Canada but for the United
- States and for the entire international
- order that has prevailed since the end
- of World War II. For decades, the
- relationship between our two countries
- operated on certain assumptions that
- everyone took for granted. Canada was
- the junior partner. Canada was the
- quieter voice. Canada was protected by
- proximity to American power and could
- therefore afford to focus on other
- priorities while America handled the
- heavy lifting of global leadership.
- Those assumptions are no longer
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- operative. What Carney demonstrated in
- this interview is that Canada has
- concluded correctly in my view that it
- can no longer rely on the United States
- in the way it once did. And rather than
- lamenting that reality or waiting
- passively for America to come to its
- senses, Canada is adapting. Canada is
- building its own strength. Canada is
- forging its own partnerships. Canada is
- charting its own course. The strategic
- patience that Carney articulated
- throughout this interview represents a
- sophisticated understanding of leverage
- and timing that seems completely absent
- from American policy right now. Trump's
- approach to international relations is
- fundamentally transactional and
- short-term. He imposes tariffs and
- expects immediate capitulation. He makes
- threats and expects instant compliance.
- Carney, by contrast, is playing a longer
- game. He understands that Canada doesn't
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- need to win every battle today. Canada
- just needs to keep getting stronger,
- keep building capabilities, keep
- developing relationships, keep
- demonstrating reliability to the rest of
- the world. Every week that passes
- without a bad deal is a week that Canada
- uses to improve its position.
- Eventually, the pressure will be on
- Trump, not on Canada. Eventually, the
- courts may rule on whether these tariffs
- are even legal. And when that moment
- comes, Canada will be in a stronger
- position than it is today, not a weaker
- one. That's strategic patience. That's
- discipline. That's the kind of thinking
- that actually produces favorable
- outcomes in complex negotiations. What
- struck me most of all about this
- interview was something intangible but
- unmistakable. It was the sense that
- Canada has finally discovered its own
- power and is no longer afraid to
- exercise it. For so long, Canada was
- defined in relation to the United
- States. Canada was the kinder, gentler
- version of America. Canada was always
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- compared to America, always measured
- against America, always understood
- primarily in terms of how it differed
- from its larger neighbor to the south.
- But what I heard in Carney's interview
- was something different. This was a
- leader who wasn't defining Canada in
- relation to anyone else. This was a
- leader who was describing what Canada
- is, what Canada wants, what Canada is
- building. on Canada's own terms. That's
- a profound shift in national
- consciousness. That's a country that has
- grown up, that has matured, that has
- come into its own. And frankly, it
- should give every American pause.
- Because if even Canada, our closest
- ally, the country with which we share
- the longest undefended border in the
- world, has concluded that it needs to
- chart its own course independent of the
- United States. What does that say about
- where we stand in the world? The
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- interview ended, but the implications
- continue to resonate. Canada sounds
- different now. Canada sounds confident
- and clear and purposeful. Canada sounds
- like a country that finally understands
- its power and is ready to use it.
- Meanwhile, we have chaos. We have
- unpredictability. We have a leadership
- style that mistakes volume for strength
- and confusion for strategy. Watching
- Carney's interview, watching the calm
- competence on display. Watching a leader
- who actually seems to know what he's
- doing, I found myself hoping that we
- might someday find our way back to that
- kind of leadership ourselves. But hope
- is not a strategy. And right now it's
- Canada that has the strategy.
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