5 Minute Ago: Carney, Trump and the U.S. Pressure on Canada to Keep CUSMA Together | George Conway
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Dec 20, 2025
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As trade talks intensify, Carney and Trump stand at the center of growing U.S. pressure on Canada over the future of CUSMA. This video examines the key demands coming from Washington and how Canadian leadership is responding behind closed doors.
We break down the economic stakes, political strategies, and possible outcomes that could redefine North American trade relations. Stay tuned to understand what these negotiations mean for businesses, markets, and the broader U.S.-Canada partnership.
Peter Burgess COMMENTARY
Peter Burgess
Transcript
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- You know, when I first saw the headlines
- coming out of Washington this week, I
- had to pause and really take in what
- we're witnessing here. The Trump
- administration has essentially handed
- Canada a list of demands. And I mean a
- very detailed list of demands that reads
- like an ultimatum more than a
- negotiation. This is the kind of moment
- that could reshape North American trade
- for the next two decades. And I don't
- think most people fully appreciate
- what's at stake. We're talking about the
- fundamental architecture of economic
- relations between two of the largest
- trading partners in the world, and it's
- all hanging in the balance right now.
- So, let me walk you through exactly what
- happened. US Trade Representative
- Jameson Greer appeared before Congress
- this week, and what he laid out was
- nothing short of a comprehensive wish
- list for restructuring the Kosma
- agreement. Now, for those who might not
- remember, KUSMA is the United States
- Mexico Canada agreement that replaced
- NAFTA during Trump's first term. At the
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- time, Trump hailed it as a massive
- victory for American workers and
- farmers. But apparently, that victory
- wasn't quite complete enough because now
- we're being told that significant
- changes are needed before the
- administration will agree to extend this
- agreement for another 16 years. That's
- right. 16 years of trade stability is on
- the table. and the price tag is a
- complete overhaul of several key
- provisions. What really struck me about
- Greer's testimony was the tone. This
- wasn't the language of partnership or
- mutual benefit. This was the language of
- demands of expectations of
- non-negotiables.
- He acknowledged that Kosma has been
- successful to a certain degree. And I
- want you to notice that qualifier to a
- certain degree. It's the kind of
- diplomatic hedge that tells you
- everything about where this
- administration's head is at. They see
- the current agreement as incomplete, as
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- insufficiently favorable to American
- interests, and they're prepared to use
- the extension negotiations as leverage
- to extract concessions that they
- couldn't get the first time around. Now,
- the specific demands are where things
- get really interesting and frankly where
- the potential for conflict becomes
- crystal clear. First and foremost, the
- administration wants greater access to
- Canada's protected dairy market. This
- has been a thorn in the side of American
- agricultural interests for decades.
- Canada operates under what's called
- supply management, a system that
- essentially controls production and
- prices to protect Canadian dairy farmers
- from foreign competition. American dairy
- producers have long complained that this
- system locks them out of a lucrative
- market just across the border. Trump
- himself has been vocal about this issue,
- calling Canada's dairy protections
- unfair and even disgraceful in previous
- statements. But the demands don't stop
- at dairy. Greer also targeted Canada's
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- streaming legislation, specifically the
- requirements that mandate Canadian
- content on platforms operating in the
- country. This is about cultural
- sovereignty versus market access, and
- it's a fight that touches on some very
- sensitive nerves in Canada. The Canadian
- government has long argued that without
- content requirements, American media
- would simply overwhelm Canadian voices
- in the digital space.
- From the US perspective, these
- requirements are barriers to trade that
- disadvantage American streaming services
- and content creators. It's a clash of
- values as much as it is a clash of
- economic interests. And then there's the
- issue of provincial procurement
- practices. This might sound technical,
- but it's actually quite significant.
- Different Canadian provinces have
- different rules about how government
- contracts are awarded, and many of these
- rules favor local suppliers. The Trump
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- administration wants these barriers
- removed, opening up Canadian government
- contracts to American companies. When
- you add all of this together, what
- you're looking at is a comprehensive
- attempt to reshape the Canadian economy
- in ways that benefit American producers
- and corporations. The question now is
- whether Canada will accept these terms,
- push back, or try to find some middle
- ground that preserves its core interests
- while keeping the trade relationship
- intact. The Canadian response to these
- demands has been fascinating to watch
- and I think it tells us a lot about how
- this negotiation is likely to unfold.
- Prime Minister Mark Carney, who brings
- his own considerable experience in
- international economics to this
- confrontation, has drawn what I would
- call a very clear line in the sand. And
- that line runs right through the middle
- of the dairy issue. Carney stated
- categorically, and I mean categorically,
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- that Canada will not budge on supply
- management for the dairy sector. Those
- were his words, not mine. Canada
- continues to stand by supply management
- and will continue to protect it. Now, I
- want you to think about what that means
- for the dynamics of this negotiation.
- The Trump administration has made dairy
- access one of its primary demands and
- the Canadian government has responded by
- saying that particular demand is
- completely off the table. We're not at
- the starting line of a negotiation here.
- We're already at an impass on one of the
- central issues. This is the kind of
- situation where skilled diplomacy
- becomes absolutely essential because
- without it, you have two sides talking
- past each other with no obvious path to
- resolution. What makes Carney's position
- so firm? Well, you have to understand
- the political economy of Canadian dairy.
- Supply management isn't just an economic
- policy. It's a political institution
- that has survived for decades because it
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- has broad support across party lines and
- across regions. Canadian dairy farmers
- are concentrated in politically
- important provinces like Quebec and
- Ontario. And any government that appears
- to be selling them out to American
- interests would face severe electoral
- consequences.
- Carney knows this and he's making it
- clear from the outset that there are
- limits to what Canada will concede no
- matter how much pressure Washington
- applies. But here's where things get
- interesting and where I think we can see
- the outlines of how this might
- eventually get resolved. Despite all the
- tough talk and the lengthy list of
- demands, trade representative Greer
- indicated that he supports keeping the
- United States in the trade accord. Think
- about that for a moment. Even as he's
- laying out all these requirements and
- setting up these potential points of
- conflict, he's also signaling that a
- complete breakdown may not be
- inevitable. This is the push and pull of
- high stakes negotiation where both sides
- need to appear strong and unyielding
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- while also leaving enough room for
- eventual compromise. What I find
- particularly noteworthy is how different
- this is from the typical approach we've
- seen in trade disputes. Usually, there's
- a lot of public posturing followed by
- quiet behind-the-scenes negotiations,
- but here we're seeing the demands laid
- out in congressional testimony uh on the
- public record uh for everyone to see.
- That changes the dynamics considerably.
- It makes it harder for either side to
- back down without appearing weak, but it
- also creates public accountability that
- can prevent either side from making
- secret deals that their constituents
- wouldn't support. It's a high-risk
- strategy and the outcome is genuinely
- uncertain. The next few months are going
- to be critical. Both sides have
- established their positions and now the
- real work of finding common ground
- begins or doesn't begin if neither side
- is willing to move. What I'll be
- watching for is any sign of flexibility
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- on the secondary issues, the streaming
- legislation, the procurement practices.
- If there's movement there, it could
- create enough positive momentum to
- eventually tackle the harder questions.
- But if both sides dig in across the
- board, we could be looking at a
- prolonged standoff that damages both
- economies and strains a relationship
- that has been crucial to North American
- prosperity for generations. I want to
- take a step back here and put all of
- this in a broader context because I
- think it's important to understand why
- these particular issues have become so
- contentious. Uh the dairy dispute, for
- example, isn't just about milk and
- cheese. It's about fundamentally
- different approaches to agricultural
- policy and really to the role of
- government in the economy. The American
- system by and large relies on open
- markets and allows prices to be set by
- supply and demand. When there's too much
- milk, prices fall and some farmers go
- out of business. It's harsh, but it's
- the market mechanism working as
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- designed. Canada took a different path
- decades ago with supply management.
- Under this system, production is
- carefully controlled to match domestic
- demand and prices are set to ensure
- farmers earn a stable, predictable
- income. It protects Canadian dairy
- farmers from the volatility that
- American farmers experience. But it also
- means higher prices for Canadian
- consumers and limited access for foreign
- producers. From the Canadian
- perspective, this is a legitimate policy
- choice that reflects their values and
- priorities. From the American
- perspective, it's a trade barrier that
- unfairly excludes competitive American
- products. The streaming and content
- issue is equally complex, though it gets
- less attention. Canada has a long
- history of cultural protectionism, going
- back to rules about Canadian content on
- radio and television that date to the
- mid 20th century. The logic is
- straightforward. Canada shares a border
- and a language with the United States,
- and without some form of protection,
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- Canadian cultural production would be
- overwhelmed by the sheer volume and
- marketing power of American
- entertainment. The streaming regulations
- that the Trump administration is
- targeting are really just an extension
- of this long-standing approach into the
- digital age. But here's the challenge.
- The global entertainment industry has
- changed dramatically in recent years,
- and the old models of cultural
- protection don't fit neatly onto
- platforms like Netflix or Disney Plus or
- Amazon Prime. When you require Canadian
- content on these services, you're not
- just promoting Canadian creators, you're
- also potentially limiting what American
- services can offer to Canadian
- subscribers. The Trump administration
- sees this as an unfair constraint on
- American companies and they're using the
- trade negotiations to push for changes.
- Whether Canada will give ground on this
- issue is an open question, though I
- suspect there's more room for compromise
- here than there is on dairy. The
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- procurement issue might seem like the
- most technical of the three, but it
- actually has significant practical
- implications. Government contracts
- represent billions of dollars in
- spending, and the rules about who can
- compete for those contracts determine
- who benefits from that spending. If
- Canadian provincial governments are
- required to open their procurement
- processes to American biders, it could
- mean substantial new opportunities for
- American companies, but also potential
- losses for Canadian businesses that have
- relied on preferential treatment. This
- is exactly the kind of issue where
- detailed negotiations can produce
- creative solutions that give both sides
- something to claim as a win. What
- concerns me most about the current
- situation is the tone of the public
- discourse. When you have the US trade
- representative making demands in
- congressional testimony and the Canadian
- prime minister responding with
- categorical refusals, you're creating a
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- dynamic where both sides are locked into
- positions that may be difficult to walk
- back from. The art of successful
- negotiation often involves finding face-
- saving ways for all parties to
- compromise. And that becomes much harder
- when public statements have been so
- definitive. As I look at where we are
- right now, I can't help but think about
- what's really at stake for ordinary
- people on both sides of the border.
- Trade agreements can seem abstract, like
- something that only matters to
- economists and politicians and policy
- wonks who spend their days pouring over
- tariff schedules and regulatory
- frameworks. But the reality is that
- millions of jobs and livelihoods depend
- on the smooth flow of goods and services
- between the United States and Canada.
- Any serious disruption to that flow
- would be felt immediately and painfully
- in factories and farms, in small
- businesses and large corporations, in
- communities across both countries that
- have built their entire economies around
- crossber trade. We're not talking about
- abstract economic theory here. We're
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- talking about real people with real
- families who depend on this trading
- relationship continuing to function. The
- Cusma agreement, for all its
- imperfections and for all the criticisms
- that have been leveled at it from
- various quarters, provides a framework
- of stability and predictability that
- businesses absolutely rely on when
- making major investment decisions. When
- a company decides to build a factory or
- expand operations or hire new workers,
- they need to know what the trade rules
- will be, not just today, but years and
- even decades into the future. That's why
- the 16-year extension matters so much to
- the business community on both sides of
- the border. It's not just a bureaucratic
- formality or a piece of paper that gets
- signed and filed away. It's a signal to
- investors and entrepreneurs about
- whether North American economic
- integration will continue on its current
- path or whether we're heading into a
- period of uncertainty and potential
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- fragmentation that could upend business
- plans and investment strategies across
- the continent. Think about what happens
- when businesses don't have that
- certainty. They pull back on investment.
- They delay expansion plans. They
- hesitate to hire new workers because
- they're not sure what the regulatory
- environment will look like in two or
- three or five years. That uncertainty
- has real economic costs that add up over
- time. And it's something that both
- governments should be keenly aware of as
- they navigate these negotiations. The
- longer this dispute drags on without
- resolution, the more that uncertainty
- will weigh on business confidence and
- economic activity. I've seen this
- pattern play out before in other trade
- disputes, and it's never pretty for the
- workers and communities who end up
- bearing the brunt of the economic
- fallout. What I find somewhat
- encouraging in all of this, and I want
- to be clear that I'm looking hard for
- silver linings here, is Greer's
- statement about wanting to keep the
- United States in the agreement despite
- all the demands and tough rhetoric.
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- That single statement tells me that
- there's at least some recognition in the
- administration that walking away from
- Kusma entirely would be more costly than
- working through the disagreements.
- However difficult and protracted that
- process might be. Canada is America's
- largest trading partner and the economic
- integration between our countries runs
- incredibly deep. After decades of
- cooperation and development, supply
- chains crisscross the border multiple
- times before products reach consumers.
- Manufacturing operations are designed
- around the assumption of free trade.
- Untangling all of that would be
- enormously disruptive and expensive. And
- I think cooler heads in the
- administration recognize that even if
- the public messaging suggests a more
- confrontational approach. The economic
- interdependence between the United
- States and Canada is really quite
- remarkable when you step back and look
- at the full picture. Every single day,
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- billions of dollars worth of goods cross
- the border in both directions. American
- cars contain Canadian parts, and
- Canadian cars contain American parts.
- Energy flows south from Canada to power
- American homes and businesses, while
- American agricultural products flow
- north to feed Canadian families.
- financial services, technology,
- professional expertise. All of this
- moves back and forth across what is
- still the longest undefended border in
- the world. This isn't just a trading
- relationship. It's an economic
- partnership that has been built up over
- generations, and unwinding it would
- cause tremendous harm to both sides,
- regardless of who might claim victory in
- the short term. The coming negotiations
- will test the diplomatic skills of both
- governments in ways that we haven't seen
- in quite some time. Prime Minister
- Carney brings his own considerable
- experience in international economics to
- this confrontation, having led both the
- Bank of Canada and later the Bank of
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- England through some of the most
- turbulent financial periods in recent
- memory. He understands how to navigate
- complex international financial issues
- and how to communicate effectively with
- markets and stakeholders who are
- watching every word for signals about
- future policy direction. Whether those
- skills translate effectively to the more
- politically charged world of trade
- negotiations remains to be seen, but I
- wouldn't underestimate his ability to
- find creative solutions to seemingly
- intractable problems. On the American
- side, the Trump administration has shown
- throughout its tenure that it's willing
- to play hard ball on trade issues, using
- tariffs and other pressure tactics to
- extract concessions from trading
- partners. But the administration has
- also demonstrated a willingness to
- eventually cut deals when the
- circumstances are right and when it can
- claim some form of victory for domestic
- audiences. The pattern we've seen
- repeatedly is tough rhetoric followed by
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- intense negotiations followed by
- agreements that both sides can spin as
- wins for their respective interests.
- Whether that pattern will hold in this
- case depends on a lot of factors,
- including how much political capital
- both leaders are willing to spend on
- reaching a compromise. My prediction,
- and I want to be clear that this is just
- my analysis based on what I've observed
- over many years of watching trade
- politics unfold, is that we'll see a lot
- more heated rhetoric before we see any
- real movement toward compromise. Both
- sides need to demonstrate to their
- domestic audiences that they're fighting
- hard for national interests and not
- giving away the store to foreign
- demands. That's just the political
- reality of trade negotiations in
- democratic countries where leaders are
- accountable to voters who care deeply
- about their jobs and livelihoods. The
- public posturing serves a purpose, even
- if it makes the path to agreement seem
- more difficult than it actually is
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- behind closed doors. But underneath all
- that theater, there will be quiet
- conversations between officials on both
- sides about what's actually possible and
- where the real lines are drawn. Trade
- negotiations are almost never conducted
- entirely in public, no matter how much
- both sides might want to project an
- image of transparency and toughness. The
- real work happens in conference rooms
- and oversecure phone lines where
- negotiators can explore options and
- float ideas without committing their
- governments to positions that might
- later prove untenable. That's where the
- outlines of an eventual deal will take
- shape, assuming both sides are genuinely
- committed to reaching one. The dairy
- issue may remain a sticking point for a
- long time, possibly even left unresolved
- or only partially addressed in the final
- agreement. The political constraints on
- both sides are simply too tight for easy
- compromise. Canadian dairy farmers have
- enormous political influence,
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- particularly in Quebec and Ontario, and
- no Canadian government can afford to be
- seen as selling them out to American
- interests. At the same time, American
- dairy producers in key states like
- Wisconsin have been promised relief from
- what they see as unfair Canadian
- protectionism. And the Trump
- administration has made those promises
- central to its trade agenda. Finding a
- formula that satisfies both sides on
- dairy will require genuine creativity
- and probably some face- saving
- mechanisms that allow both governments
- to claim they protected their farmers
- interests. on streaming and procurement.
- However, I think there's genuine room
- for creative solutions that both sides
- could live with if they approach the
- negotiations in good faith. The
- streaming issue is really about finding
- a balance between Canadian cultural
- protection and American market access.
- And there are ways to thread that needle
- that don't require either side to
- completely abandon its principles.
- Perhaps certain Canadian content
- requirements could be modified or made
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- more flexible while still preserving the
- basic framework that Canada values.
- Perhaps American streaming services
- could be given more input into how those
- requirements are implemented in exchange
- for accepting the overall principle.
- These are the kinds of compromises that
- skilled negotiators can craft when both
- sides are motivated to reach agreement.
- Similarly, on procurement, there may be
- ways to open up Canadian government
- contracts to American competition while
- still preserving some preferences for
- local suppliers in sensitive sectors or
- for smaller contracts that are more
- important to local economies. The key is
- finding the right level of market access
- that satisfies American demands for
- fairness while not completely upending
- the expectations of Canadian businesses
- that have relied on government
- contracts. It's a delicate balance, but
- it's not impossible to achieve with
- goodwill on both sides. What I'll be
- watching in the weeks and months ahead
- is whether either side offers any
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- signals of flexibility that could break
- the current deadlock and create momentum
- toward a broader agreement. Trade
- negotiations are often about finding the
- right moment to move, the moment when
- both sides are ready to shift from
- posturing to problem solving, and that
- moment hasn't arrived yet. Both sides
- are still in the phase of staking out
- positions and testing each other's
- resolve. But that moment will come
- because ultimately both countries have
- too much to lose by letting this
- agreement collapse entirely. The
- economic and political costs of failure
- are simply too high for either side to
- accept as a final outcome. American
- businesses that depend on Canadian
- supply chains would be devastated by a
- trade war. Canadian exporters who sell
- billions of dollars worth of goods to
- American consumers every year would face
- catastrophic losses. Workers on both
- sides of the border who depend on
- crossber trade for their jobs would
- suffer tremendously. These aren't
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- abstract concerns. They're concrete
- realities that both governments
- understand even as they engage in tough
- public rhetoric. That doesn't mean
- success is guaranteed. And I don't want
- to sound overly optimistic about the
- prospects for a smooth resolution. There
- are genuine disagreements here about
- important issues and resolving them will
- require both sides to make compromises
- that will be politically painful. The
- dairy issue in particular seems almost
- designed to resist easy solutions given
- the political constraints on both sides.
- But the fundamental interests of both
- nations point toward finding a way
- through this impass, even if the path
- isn't yet clear and even if the journey
- takes longer than anyone would prefer.
- What gives me some measure of hope is
- the underlying strength of the
- relationship between these two
- countries. The United States and Canada
- have been allies and partners for
- generations. Through world wars and
- economic crises and countless other
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- challenges, the bonds between our
- peoples run deep, far deeper than any
- trade dispute or political disagreement.
- Families span the border. Businesses
- operate seamlessly across it. Cultural
- connections tie our societies together
- in ways that politicians and trade
- negotiators can't easily undo. That
- foundation of friendship and mutual
- respect should ultimately provide the
- basis for resolving even the most
- contentious trade issues if leaders on
- both sides are wise enough to build on
- it. I'll continue watching these
- developments closely and bringing you my
- analysis as events unfold. This is one
- of the most important trade negotiations
- in recent North American history and its
- outcome will shape the economic
- landscape of this continent for years to
- come. The stakes couldn't be higher and
- the path forward couldn't be less
- certain. But I remain cautiously hopeful
- that cooler heads will prevail and that
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- both countries will find a way to
- preserve and strengthen a trading
- relationship that has brought prosperity
- and opportunity to millions of people on
- both sides of the border. The
- alternative, a breakdown in trade
- relations between neighbors and allies,
- is simply too costly to contemplate as a
- serious outcome.
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