Booker DEMANDS Debate on Emil Bove: FULL
Senator Cory Booker
Jul 17, 2025
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Cory Booker Fights Back—Demands Senate Debate on Emil Bove
Peter Burgess COMMENTARY
I am happy to archive this reporting from Congress about Senator Cory Booker. It supports my view of the Senator's values and competence.
I was surprised and elighted when all the Democrats on the committee walked out in support of the Booker initiative!
Peter Burgess
Transcript
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- Uh thank you very much chairman
- Grassley. This process with uh Emil Boie
- started with uh
- my office as well as Senator Andy Kim
- saying to the White House we were
- willing to work with them to find
- someone. The president of the United
- States or the White House council
- completely violated the process we had
- agreed upon and thrust this judge onto
- the state of New Jersey. a judge, excuse
- me, a a a candidate, a nominee who we
- had already written
- letters of complaint about for his role
- in the prosecutor's office around issues
- around January 6th.
- Bo directed Ed Martin to fire the
- January 6th defendants,
- and that was something we were actively
- investigating
- before he was even being considered as
- this. Imagine any senator here having
- somebody put in as a circuit court
- nominee in their state when there is an
- active investigation going on about
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- something as serious as the January 6th
- nominations. That is something that
- everybody here would consider a
- violation of process.
- Now, I understand that there are folks
- here in good faith who are looking for
- issues and understanding, but we should
- all know we have an obligation,
- a duty, constitutional duty to advise
- and consent that requires full and fair
- consideration.
- At this moment, there are still
- unanswered questions surrounding this
- nominee, evidence and data coming out,
- at least one whistleblower
- who's come forward.
- Moving forward with this vote before
- this committee has addressed
- these issues and concerns would
- undermine the integrity of this process.
- Mr. Bob's answers at his hearing and
- questions for the record raise serious
- questions as to whether he actually
- misled this committee, even lied to this
- committee. Multiple members of this
- committee have pending requests for
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- critical information regarding Mr.
- that must be fulfilled
- for us to responsibly and thoroughly
- evaluate this person's qualifications
- for a lifetime appointment on the
- federal bench. Let's start with a
- credible whistleblower who came forward
- with texts and emails that show that Mr.
- Boie said FU to the courts and
- instructed federal officials to ignore a
- court order. The whistleblower is a
- 15-year career lawyer at the DOJ who
- served in Republican and Democratic
- administrations and defended the Trump
- administration's immigration policies
- during the first term. This is hardly
- someone that lacks credibility and
- legitimacy. And he came forward at a
- climate that we all know when folks like
- this come forward, they are targeted
- with hate, with threats. Yet this person
- who has such integrity and such
- experience daringly, courageously
- stepped forward and this committee won't
- even hear from him.
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- I I I'm hardpressed to believe that
- someone who dedicated 15 years to public
- service would jeopardize their career,
- the safety of themselves and their
- families for no reason.
- After learning that in 2018, members of
- the Federal Defense Bar in SDNY may of
- whom were former prosecutors
- took the unprecedented step in 2018
- of alerting Mr. Boy's supervisors of his
- unethical conduct.
- These are Democrats and Republicans,
- former federal prosecutors. Many of my
- colleagues and I on this committee
- requested information from the SDNY
- about any internal or external
- complaints against him during this
- tenure. And after weeks of outreach, we
- haven't gotten any response. Just
- yesterday did the DOJ respond only to
- refuse to honor the request. And yet
- we're moving forward. This committee is
- moving forward without all of these
- former prosecutors, federal prosecutors,
- federal defenders, their legitimate
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- claims
- being heard.
- Finally, after receiving credible
- information, I sent a letter to Mr. Boi
- requesting that he explain his role in
- reviewing and withholding information
- about the Epstein files. That's
- something that should be basic for this
- committee. Just give us the information.
- He held a leadership role at the
- Department of Justice since the
- beginning of the Trump administration
- after months of public statements about
- quote unquote truckloads of documents in
- the Epstein files. The DOJ and the FBI
- suddenly declin decided that there's no
- need to do any kind of disclosures.
- There's nothing to see here. Look away.
- Which one is it? The public has a right
- to know. And a person being nominated
- for one of the highest courts in our
- land who clearly played a role in this
- matter of grave national concern,
- including child sex trafficking, should
- actually we should know what he knew and
- what he did in this matter. I've
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- requested responses to these questions
- by 9:00 a.m. this morning, and we have
- heard nothing as a committee. And yet,
- we're moving forward.
- Time and time again, there are relevant
- allegations made against this nominee by
- independent people, by Republicans,
- by career professionals,
- and we are not listening to them or
- demanding answers. These unanswered
- questions strike at the very core of
- whether Bo is fit for a lifetime
- appointment on the federal bench. Does
- he respect the rule of law? They raise
- the alarming possibility that he
- deliberately lied and concealed critical
- information to these to this committee.
- Mr. Chairman, there are federal
- prosecutors who held accountable those
- who attacked the US capital and
- assaulted law enforcement on January
- 6th. I'm grateful for my colleagues on
- both sides of the aisle talking about
- the severity of this issue.
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- Federal prosecutors,
- career professionals
- have raised strong reservations about
- Mr. Boie who had undermined their
- legitimate work to hold accountable
- people who did the most horrific acts of
- violence.
- Listen to these folks who are law
- enforcement professionals and what
- they're saying about Mr. Boie.
- Several of these prosecutors reached out
- to my Republican colleagues on this
- committee to share their grave concerns,
- but not one of them were met with by
- anyone on the other side of the aisle.
- Not even to listen to these prosecutors
- who did their job, who faithfully served
- the rule of law, who were instruments
- and agents of justice. One would expect
- that their concerns should be heard, but
- unfortunately, not one meeting, almost
- as if they don't want to hear the truth
- or the facts or the details. How can you
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- say you were concerned about what
- happened on January 6th, and you won't
- listen to the people who spent months
- and months and months prosecuting those
- cases?
- How does that make sense to not even
- want to hear from these folks who have
- legitimate concerns, who've expressed
- grave concerns?
- I I don't understand why we are
- willfully refusing to hear the
- legitimate concerns not of politicians,
- not of elected officials,
- but of career folks, many of them
- Republicans who've expressed care grave
- concerns. One group literally said, and
- this isn't from the time that Trump
- nominated him. This is before he even
- served in the in the Department of
- Justice, a group of lawyers, federal
- prosecutors and defendants said that he
- is the prosecutorial version of a drunk
- driver. He is reckless and dangerous.
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- And have we asked to hear from those
- folks?
- Here's a guy that was given the worst
- ever condemnation from a judge in the
- SDNY
- for withholding exculpatory evidence as
- a prosecutor. There are former
- prosecutors on this committee.
- Imagine that kind of flaunting of the
- rule of law,
- the grave ethical violations in that
- case. Imagine that we are about to put
- that person now to be a judge.
- That is stunning to me.
- There is no need to vote on this nominee
- today. It is a false urgency.
- My guess is the White House has issued
- orders to move this along as quickly as
- possible. Don't let these independent
- arbiters
- with legitimate insight into this
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- nominees qualifications don't let them
- be heard. Dear God, we are hearing that
- there are other whistleblowers who are
- wondering if they should come forward.
- We're hearing that they they are afraid
- to come forward. They have lawyered up
- and and we better get this thing through
- as quickly as possible before other
- people come through.
- With more time, we would get more
- answers.
- With more times, the things that Mr.
- Boie has done at the DOJ and throughout
- his career would come to light, not by
- elected officials,
- but by legitimate people whose voices
- should be heard. Why are we refusing to
- hear them? Why are we silencing those
- people? It's going to get harder and
- harder for my colleagues to ignore the
- truth. So, let's rush these things
- through, but let's hear a little bit of
- the truth. Mr. Chairman, I want to
- submit a number of le letters into the
- record. First, an opposition letter of
- current and former state and federal
- prosecutors from around the country.
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- These prosecutors state, quote, 'Boy not
- only refused to hold accountable those
- who attacked our nation's capital and
- attempted to block our democratic
- process on January 6th, but he punished
- and dismissed career justice department
- employees who investigated and
- prosecuted that insurrection.' Another
- letter I'd like to submit from almost a
- thousand former DOJ prosecutors.
- This is unprecedented that almost a
- thousand former DOJ prosecutors would
- write this committee and say that they
- are alarmed, quote, by DOJ's
- leadership's recent
- deviations from constitutional
- principles and institutional guard
- rails. They identified Mr. Boie as the
- leader in this assault. They say it is
- intolerable to us that anyone who
- disgraces the Department of Justice
- would be promoted to one of the highest
- courts in the land. And the third letter
- I'd like to submit is from 75 former
- federal and state judges,
- including a former Third Circuit judge
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- who was appointed by President Bush.
- jurists
- are writing. This is what they say.
- Elevating a nominee whose record
- reflects a pattern of misconduct,
- disregard for lawful authority and
- political entanglement would not only
- compromise the integrity of the courts.
- It would set a dangerous precedent that
- judicial power may be wielded in the
- service of personal feely rather than
- constitutional duty. And lastly, Mr.
- Chairman, I'd like to submit a letter
- from former federal prosecutors who have
- collectively more than 450 years of
- experience trying cases.
- These former federal prosecutors, 450 of
- them, urge, there is only one way this
- committee can determine whether Mr. Boie
- has violated a court order. It's by
- hearing the testimony of Mr. Revene, the
- whistleblower. Failure to take the time
- now to do so before voting on this
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- nomination will forever brand this
- decision as rubber stamping. Mr. Mr.
- Chairman, I I make a request and I and
- and as I understand the rules of this
- committee, I have the right to do that.
- Mr. Revenue witness the DOJ leadership
- plan to defy court orders.
- I would like to say under I ask under
- rule four of this rules of the committee
- that the chairman is required to
- entertain a non-debatable motion to
- bring a matter before the committee for
- a vote. I'm a making a motion to bring
- this matter to a vote. I request a roll
- call of this committee so that the
- record may show that each me where each
- member stands on allowing a
- whistleblower,
- an independent prosecutor who worked in
- Democrat and Republican administrations
- for 15 years, who courageously stepped
- forward, who put his life at risk, who
- is being threatened right now, who felt
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- like it was worth to come forward to
- speak to this committee. I'd like to
- request that before voting on this
- nominee, we would hear from this
- nominee. I'd like a roll call vote on
- that according to rule four of this
- committee.
- The clerk will call the role. Mr.
- Uh
- well before you call the role
- uh first of all I do believe that uh
- it's not on the agenda what you've
- requested
- and uh we uh won't uh things that I
- haven't previewed ahead of time or on
- the agenda. So I'm going to rule you out
- of order. But sir, we we can in all
- sincerity, we could we could take the
- time. We could set the the whistleblower
- coming next week. It would give us more
- time
- than enough time to review all of the
- things that you're concerned about.
- The level of gravity of the charges of
- an independent prosecutor for 15 years
- who literally has put his life on the
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- line by coming forward. We could do the
- necessary work to prepare for such a
- hearing to hear from this prosecutor.
- Before I call on Senator White House,
- let me uh say that you request to put
- things in the record. We will grant that
- request. Uh we'll go to Boy's
- nomination. The clerk will call the
- role.
- Mr. Chairman, Mr. Chairman, point of
- personal privilege.
- Mr. Chairman,
- um Mr. Chairman, according to rule four
- of the committee, we have the right to
- continue to debate this nomination.
- No, I'm invoking rule four of the
- committee, we have the right to debate
- this nomination. You're out of seconding
- Senator Booker's demand for a vote on
- his request to hear from the
- whistleblower.
- Mr. Chairman,
- you should at least acknowledge my rule
- four point of order.
- You're out of
- I don't understand this. What are you
- afraid of about even debating this,
- putting things on the record, hearing
- from every senator? Dear God, that's
- what our obligations are is to state our
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- reasons for debate. at least address the
- rule four point of order that we're
- calling. There's no need to rush this.
- What are we afraid of? We're not
- pressing for the 2-hour rule like you
- all did when you were in the minority.
- We're simply asking for a credible
- amount of time to air our concerns
- before the vote. We respect each other
- in this committee. We respect the
- understanding that we have things to
- say. But yet, we're doing this in a way
- that makes no sense to me. And it makes
- no sense to me because we're not trying
- to do things like force the committee to
- close or force a two-hour rule. This is
- about understanding that people on this
- side have a responsibility to state
- their issues.
- Out of order.
- Uh Mr. Sir, you could call me out of
- order because this is out of order. This
- undermines the basic decency of this
- committee. Yes, maybe overrule a rule
- four, but at least address the rule four
- point of order that senators were
- elected to debate issues and debate
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- nominees. This is absolutely insane.
- What is the rush?
- Sir, I am interrupting because you're
- interrupting a regular point of order.
- At least address my point of order. I
- have the right to do that by the rules
- of this committee. If you want to
- overrule the rules of committee, then do
- so. But this is not in any way in order.
- You are obligated to address a point of
- order according to the rules of this
- committee. You could overrule me by a
- Senate vote. You're violating your own
- rules. The parliamentarian has been
- clear about this. The parliamentarian
- has been clear.
- You could overrule the rule I'm the the
- point of order I'm doing, but you have
- to follow the precedents and procedures
- of this committee. This is outrageous
- that you're not allowing senators to
- have their fair say before a
- controversial nominee is being done.
- This is unbelievable. This is unjust.
- This is wrong. It is the further
- deterioration of this committee's
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- integrity with a person like this. What
- are you afraid of? Are you afraid of
- hearing from Chris Coons? From hearing
- from one of my colleagues, from hearing
- from Adam Schiff, what is the fear here?
- have at least the decency to have a vote
- on my point of order regarding rule
- four. I have respect for you, Mr.
- Chairman. We've served together for more
- than a decade, but this is outrageous.
- This is unacceptable. This is wrong. It
- is wrong.
- And why? Why? What is the rush to take
- another half hour to listen to people?
- What is the rush? What are we afraid of,
- Mr. Chairman? What are we afraid of? I
- do not understand why senators can't
- debate a nominee as we've done when both
- sides have been in the majority to take
- the time. What is the thing that you are
- so afraid of from hearing from my Senate
- colleagues? This is a violation
- of the precedence of this committee.
- We're not trying some stunt here to try
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- to force a two-hour rule like you all
- did when you were in the minority. We
- just want to be heard before a
- controversial vote. Sir, this is wrong
- and you know it. You are a person of
- integrity. How could you be doing this?
- At least have a vote on my point of
- order.
- Sir, with all appeals to your decency,
- with all appeals to your integrity, with
- all appeals to pass jurisdiction and
- pass president, why are you doing this?
- This is outrageous.
- This is a kangaroo court. That's all we
- have here.
- This is wrong. to violate your own rules
- without going by the the the mandates of
- the parliamentarian.
- This is unbelievable.
- There's a way to do this. If you want to
- force this through, if you want to ram
- this through, there's a way to do it in
- accordance to the rules as spelled out
- by the parliamentarian.
- It
- it is simple. It is clear. There's a
- pathway to achieve what you're trying to
- achieve. But sir, this lacks decency. It
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- lacks decorum.
- It shows that you do not want to simply
- hear from your colleagues. This is
- absolutely wrong. And sir, this is this
- is to me one of those moments where we
- are not showing common respect for each
- other on both sides. I have sat here
- when we were in the majority and listen
- to my colleagues arguments, listen to
- their passionate statements and then we
- voted. This is not that. This is us
- simply trying to rush through one of the
- most controversial nominees we've had
- under this presidential administration.
- Sir, God bless America. You are a good
- man. You are a decent man. Why are you
- doing this? What is Donald Trump saying
- to you that are making you do something
- which is violating the decorum of this
- committee, the rules of this committee,
- the decency and the respect that we have
- each other to at least hear each other
- out?
- Nomination. I've sat through so many
- long speeches of my colleagues, heard
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- their objections,
- listen with with sincerity to try to see
- what their arguments are,
- but we are not doing that. Sir, this is
- wrong. And you know it. There are some
- people on this committee who are the
- least fire brand people and they've
- walked out.
- Some of the least controversial people
- in the Senate, some of the people that
- work the hardest to find bipartisan
- common ground have just walked out of
- this committee and and you don't even
- seem to care. But I know you do. I know
- your heart, Senator Grassley. This is
- wrong. I know the kind of person you
- are, and you know this is wrong. There's
- no, this is not necessary. What is
- another half an hour to allow senators
- to be heard? It's what the Constitution
- mandates. It's the ideals of the United
- States Senate, the world's most
- deliberative body, should take a decent
- amount of time to deliberate.
- But here, we're not doing that. Here we
- are jamming this through with some sense
- of false urgency. It's one thing not to
- hear from whistleblowers. It's another
- thing not to hold another hearing, but
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- to not even allow my colleagues to have
- their moment to speak against this
- justice is just wrong. And I know you
- know this. I know you know this. The
- only time this rule has ever been
- overturned by both parties was done when
- one minority was trying to pull some
- stunt to stop the committee from
- hearing. This is not that. This is not
- the two-hour rule. This is a basic
- element of the ideals of this committee.
- Sir,
- it is the basic understanding of having
- debate and deliberation. It's a basic
- understanding of we can listen to each
- other even if we disagree. that we
- should have time and space and a forum
- to listen. Sir, this is just wrong in
- every way. It is wrong in every single
- way. This is an abuse of power. It's an
- undermining of the well-being
- and the integrity of this this Senate
- and this committee that I I for so long
- I've been so honored to be a part of. I
- this is wrong, sir. And I join with my
- colleagues in
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