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COMMENTARY THE COFFEE KLATCH ... JUNE 21ST 2025 with Robert Reich and Heather Lofthouse Will Trump Drag Us Into War? PLAY YOUTUBE VIDEO Original article: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2oDKyIgH7iE
Will Trump Drag Us Into War? \| The Coffee Klatch with Robert Reich Robert Reich 1.25M subscribers Premiered 90 minutes ago The Coffee Klatch with Robert Reich Trump's warmongering is his most dangerous authoritarian move yet — and it could very well be his undoing. Heather and I discuss why the dictator-in-chief wants a war with Iran on today's Klatch. For more information on The Last Class, visit: thelastclassfilm.com How this content was made Auto-dubbed Audio tracks for some languages were automatically generated. Learn more The Coffee Klatch with Robert Reich Peter Burgess COMMENTARY Peter Burgess Transcript 0:03 and it is the Saturday coffee clutch with Heather Loft House back i'm back here I am it's nice to see you Heather well it's you know I missed you too and you missed Heather too and I missed you i mean Michael did a wonderful job Michael thank you michael was incredible he was incredible we'll have him back on we will but you know it's nice to see you thank you okay so so what's what are we going to do today not not as if there's been any news no since I've been gone but what we try to do is is give it a framework give it you know so that people everybody can get the news but what what does it mean and you're going for a casual conversation a casual conversation about news what does it mean the war in Iran yeah let's please talk about that who the hell is advising Trump if anyone okay what's going to happen with oil prices so get you got the gist i have the gist yeah let's start with the war that is happening in Iran well I Heather I think 1:00 the interesting question there really is about power i mean we come back to this issue over and over again in the coffee clutch but the issue here has to do with war making power uh you know uh Donald Trump like he has with regard to immigration and also the tariffs and every aspect of his administration he has basically taken the power he assumes he has the power he declares an emergency that's his MO uh but the fact of the matter is there has been a struggle for years over certainly the war making power of the president to do it alone can the president actually do make a war go to war bring America into war alone congress exists to do something congress is supposed actually there is a war powers act there is um there has been traditionally a lot of push back from Congress on this and uh there is now this week not from the Democrats the Dem the heads of the 2:04 Democratic party but from the some some of the people in the Democratic party uh not just Bernie Sanders but others are saying we have got to uh have a war powers resolution i mean we want to know how people are going to vote on this because there could be huge consequences particularly if there is a ground war now I think it's very unlikely that Trump is going to do anything uh to get ground troops into war but he's put ground troops into California yeah los Angeles so um I think bombers are more his style because it feels like I mean he's branded everything he's branded shoes Bibles crypto so this is his Trump branded war well I mean we're seeing right he is deciding here he is speaking of power sitting there saying 'We'll see we'll see what I'm going to You'll see we'll see what I'm going to do.' I mean that's it it's the pronoun I you know I'm going to I don't know whether you don't know whether I'm going to do this week or 3:04 next week i don't know whether you know but I know and I make my mind up at the last minute i'm not going to tell you yet this is this is dictatorship 101 uh and you know the costs of any war uh in terms of human beings uh in terms of a nation's treasure in terms of just the amount of of of uh you know wars get out of hand Trump was going to end the Ukraine war Trump was going to bring us out of all kinds of foreign entanglements uh and he's getting us more involved uh and uh it's it's interesting Heather on this particular war In with regard to Iran there's no way that you can get to the enrich enrichment the Iranian enrichment facilities which are way underground i mean it could be uh for all we know half a mile uh unless you have huge huge uh 4:03 bombs right and that's by design i read that great piece in the New York Times that depicted it well and um the United States has it's not even clear we have the capacity to get there i mean it may be ironically that the only way you can get there is uh with commandos uh and Israel knows how to do that kind of stuff u but uh for the United States to commit that kind of armament that kind of warfare that kind of bombing uh is a very very big deal oh it's huge and so he claims we're going to know in two weeks but who the heck is advising him i mean what does Trump know about foreign policy he knows zilch about foreign policy but really well but there is supposed to be a National Security Council that advises him now most of the half of that National Security Council has already been fired um and that's cuz Laura Loomer said 'I don't like some of these people.' And Marco Rubio ex went along with her yes and and these are the 5:04 professionals the professionals who give him advice tulsi Gabbard is supposed to give him a national security briefing every week or at least whoever was the president that's her position she's national security uh sort of intelligence uh but he has not been getting these well he doesn't want he doesn't like the briefings he doesn't want to be like he doesn't want to be briefed too much time it's well also she was complaining that uh that he doesn't he doesn't sit still for these briefings she doesn't concentrate so she was going to make a kind of a a Fox News presentation that was great um what we how we need to think about how he consumes and the way he can he likes so let's get a Fox producer in here let's get an anchor let's make TV shows for his daily briefings and now she's been sort of shunted away i mean she's no not even part of the who hasn't been shunted away briefing well Steven Miller Seth is not not in these briefings as far as we 6:00 know i'm sorry let's repeat that the head i'm sorry who's Pete Head Seth uh well I last time I said he was the defense secretary of defense he's not in the briefings and Telsey Gabard the intelligence supposed to be the intelligence is not in the briefings uh it's not clear if he's getting any information at all or where it's coming from and that's the that's the scary thing because Congress is not authorizing this there is no congressional input uh there is nobody in the White House we know of who's actually giving him a lot of information he says you know I'll do it when I do it and he even said uh two days ago uh you know I make these decisions sometimes at the last minute just maybe seconds before I have to make them uh this is the fate of the world Heather now this one decision may not be the fate of the world but it is a fateful decision it has uh it's a decision that is hugely uh kind of consequential to the Middle East uh and the Middle East has is a tinder box i mean it's true Hezbollah is not 7:05 what it was and Hamas is not certainly not what it was um and Syria has you know Syria is these are all Iran's major outposts uh but they're gone or they're seriously seriously undermined but uh it's not clear now what the right way ahead is what worries me honestly is that there is nobody nobody who has actually thought about and knows much about the Middle East who is there in the White House it's so scary but imagine I mean we get to see his ego and narcissism flaring yet again because imagine his ego narcissism yeah just a little bit but imagine thinking you have so much knowledge and you don't need any advice on this and you're gonna decide at the last minute and it's going to be a good choice well you know somebody was talking to me about the difference between a uh a pathological narcissist i 8:00 was I always was calling him for years since 2016 trump a pathological narcissist no they said he's a malignant narcissist and they said the pathological narcissist is just sick a malignant narcissist is somebody who has a sickness that is very dangerous it is dangerous to everybody else around that malignant narcissist uh and yes for him sitting there making decisions uh that have these kinds of consequences potentially is very dangerous i mean you remember the Iraqi war resolution u it went to Congress i mean Congress had to vote on it hillary Clinton voted in favor um Paul Wellstone a dear friend a wonderful man senator um he voted against it and I remember calling him up because the all of the polls showed most Americans uh particularly in Minnesota where Paul Wellstone was from uh were in favor and I called him and I said uh I you know I just hope you did the right thing i hope you haven't made it 9:03 difficult for yourself to get reelected he was going to be he was up for re-election and he laughed and he said 9:09 he said 'Bob you know the people of Minnesota um they may not always agree with me but they when I explain why I did something uh they appreciate it and they are with me they will vote for me.' And his polls actually went up because he did explain right he did the right thing well but it's also the explanation uh people want to understand why uh our representatives or our president in Washington what's in their minds uh Trump do they though because there's nothing in his mind well that's the that's my point i think I think it makes people nervous not knowing he's making so many decisions there's so much uncertainty about where what's the tariff policy what's the what's the policy with with immigrants you know with uh with agricultural workers right he may he goes one way and then he goes 10:01 another way uh with Yes with with hospitality and what about oil prices specifically well oil prices could easily go up they've already gone up about 15% since this began uh the straight of Hormuz um is a very I mean 1if of all of the oil in the world goes through if if Iran wanted to close the straits of hormones uh that would be a huge uh economic toll uh on the world uh and on the United States even though we're the number one oil producer now in the in the world uh we could not maintain what we are doing and our economy uh on the basis of that kind of that kind of oil shock remember when Trump was running and he said things like I'm going to get prices down and I'm going to put America first and he said I'm going to avoid foreign entanglements uh what happens to prices not only are oil and gas prices heading 11:00 upward but you have because of the tariffs and the fear of the tariffs so the tariffs that are already there prices are elevated uh and then you have the crackdown on immigration uh 5% of all the workers in the United States are immigrants uh a large percentage of them are undocumented you you go after them and what happens to industry well prices go up because they're just not people to do these jobs so in every one of these Trump policy areas you see him moving toward higher prices and also more involvement with the rest of the world exactly what he did the opposite of what he said he would do no so but does that help for midterms and otherwise i mean this extreme if the if the Democrats had a very loud charismatic clear mouthpiece it would help uh I don't know who or where that is uh and America's attention 12:00 span is pretty small right now in fact it's always been short but especially now in the Trump world and Trump deflects you know if he gets into a a jam he just does something else that's wild and maybe more popular that's it throws throws it at the wall but so but the uncertainty so we don't know what the Fed's going to do we don't uh the Fed is uh between a rock and a hard place the Fed is worried about potential inflation because of all the all the reasons I just gave you but also worried about a slowdown because of all the reasons I just gave you uh so stagflation uh although u John Powell did not use that word this week stagflation is certainly in the minds of uh the Fed and the Fed governors and uh there's no question that the Fed is um is just unable to move doesn't know whether to put interest rates up or down you know Trump in his own Trumpian way is trying to say to the Fed you better push interest rates down uh but you see this 13:03 this demonstrates his ignorance about the Fed and about economics because if if you have a Fed chief that does what Trump wants uh the markets are not going to assume that inflation is going to be under control but he also doesn't have any economic adviserss um he doesn't he officially uh on you know the White House sort of uh list of who's who uh they do have economic adviserss but I don't have any evidence Heather that he's getting any economic advice that's an understatement i mean he is he's watching television he's playing golf he's doing executive orders uh you know big ceremonies he is he is on truth social and he's having big tiny parades and he has big that parade what do you think of that parade huh i thought it was perfect it was really a Trump parade i know wait but before we move on to that because I do want to talk about that so in terms of the uncertainty so it makes me anxious if I'm honest with you when the 14:06 markets are anxious when I'm looking at the courts I'm trying to see does he have absolute power does he not the lower court one lower court said yes i mean constantly but this man with uncertainty I feel like he feels he loves it it's better he he loves uncertainty because it builds his power right because everybody says 'What is he going to do next?' You know and and he loves the idea that people are coming and and you know and bowing and screaming texting and tweeting and and and everybody is is is in a lather looking at him and they're you know please please Mr president please Mr president can you No he it gives him more power but uncertainty has a huge negative effect on the economy because who's going to invest when you don't know whether the economy is going to go this way or that way or what's going to happen with the war or tariffs or or or immigration uh it is really stopping stopping economic destabilizing but it's 15:03 wild to watch it fortify him and give him well a war a war does the same thing i know that's I mean you know he uses in fact he's based almost all his so-called power on emergency powers that come from uh legislation in most cases that that Congress passed in times of war uh and uh he he wants to use that well he's been using it whether there was a war or not and so this is Yes so this is why his dictator Yeah like you said I mean this just helps his case for needing all the power exactly scary exactly but back to your point about deflection because I do think as we're focused on this war we don't focus on other things obviously and that either he does on purpose probably but also subconsciously i mean I think he just does that he's like a He does it automatically circus absolutely automatically i mean his parade was a a 16:02 kind of flop i mean it was a nobody was there i mean it was very few people you see that video there was one like the poor tank was squeaking and there were three people you know it was like and he wanted the my middle school parade I think was more well attended and he wanted the troops to be very serious and look you know ferocious and of course they're smiling and they're waving i know and on the same day how many people showed up for the no kings protest well that's interesting because we thought uh you know right afterwards the estimates were about 3 million 2 3 million the estimates are actually much higher i saw up to six four to six but I like the six uh well 6 million would put it as one of the biggest demonstrations in American history now it was decentralized right which is why it's very hard to get all of the data but also important i like that it was all over the place hugely important and remember we're talking about a week ago uh but a week ago in Trump you know time seems like a year 17:05 ago but it did have um an effect on people oh yeah people uh that I talked with felt some renewed energy and some joy and solidarity with other people and and they they felt that they you know maybe there's a possibility here maybe we don't have to uh be as as frantic and dejected as we were dare we say hope i think we can say hope i think people I think it was really impressive how everyone did and I loved that Indivisible played a big role i'm sorry I missed Ezra who was on last week ezra did a great job um let me uh just say one more thing about that and that is that there has been research um a uh Erica Chennowith uh at Harvard professor at Harvard um did some research looked over all of the instances in history uh very careful very careful detailed research um as to when regimes have to 18:02 change and discovered that this magic 3.5% rule did apply when 3.5% of a population when you get up to that many of that percentage of a population saying essentially no we are not going to support this regime uh and taking you know protests and strikes and sitdowns and all kinds of peaceful peaceful protests in yeah united united uh that brings down a regime I mean it brings down regimes yeah this threshold this 3.5 okay so we had 6 million people come out for no kids and the 3.5% of what American 260 million adults i'm assuming she means adults we don't need the toddlers i don't know that she meant adults but let's assume it's so that it's not it's 270 million adults in the United States forgive me i mean I think that's my memory no I trust you um but so what is what is uh 3.5% 90 mill 90 to 100 million uh no 3.5% I mean get you about 9 million 9 to 19:06 9 to 10 million yeah 9 or 10 million is that right move the carry the one move the decimal decimal divide squared yes so it's So we're not actually we're not far we're not that far we need a calculator around here well but the the point is this this this resistance is growing uh and uh and people uh I think Trump is becoming so unpopular but even if he were more popular with his people uh the resistance would be growing uh so I you know I people ask me very often are am I optimistic am I cynical i say to them I am not cynical because cynical means do you mean it no cynical means basically you've said this to your students too cynicism pessimism is okay cynicism is not yes and cynicism is a self-fulfilling prophecy pessimism is your your your attitude about what the 20:04 future is going to bring is it going to be a good or bad future and I think that there's still or the you know there is still reason uh to be some you know cautiously or nauseously pessimistic uh but there is also reason to feel that uh things are going to change and I think that the uh if we are able to have an election uh a 2026 midterm election uh I I at this point I think Democrats would win hands down both houses okay i like the sound of that um so we should talk Go ahead no I was just going to say Dem but Democrats to to do that they have to be louder they have to be clearer loud they have to say something they have to take positions um and these Democrats seem to be following the uh you know Jim Carville's James Carville's uh notion of just roll over and play dead and let Trump overreach i think that's I think that's dangerous 21:03 i think it's dangerous too um so I want to talk about the big beautiful bill but also as he deflects what else are we missing i think about this all the time so if he's making you know if he's tweeting I look at whatever he's putting on truth social so what is being missed so we're not paying attention to China right now he's very Yeah the the tariff all the tariffs really turn on China and China is not budging and China China said in fact China the last big deal was China said 'We're not going to send you rare earth minerals,' which means a lot of American industry you see it can't particularly high-tech can't even move forward uh and I think that caught Trump flatfooted and on his back heels uh and then we have you know the residue of Elon Musk i mean the residue I mean Musk Musk's people are still around uh but they're being squeezed out yeah by a lot of department heads who justifiably don't want interference um and they kind 22:04 of made up I haven't seen you so we I think last time I was here they had broken up and it was oo it was a big bad it was a big bad break up break up a BBB but then they made niceish I mean I don't know well pretended they're they're pretending to and it's very important people around them want you know there to be no ancillary um damage uh but it's still you know every time Trump looks weak or he suffers a humiliation or he suffers a potential humiliation and we've talked about China and Musk uh but even Harvard Harvard is not backing down uh and that is a little and you know Trump keeps on trying to increase the heat on Harvard uh but the courts are saying 'No you can't do that.' And Trump is uh it looks like he doesn't have very much power um and that's when when when that happens that's when he wants to be big and militarized and wants more military parades and wants more people you know the National Guard is going to be 23:05 militarized and he's going to put the Marines into California but when that doesn't work right and the courts are stopping that or at least they're subduing that he still can do it um I think that we see a Trump that really is looking for any other way of showing that he has power that he is not a loser did you see Eugene Carol's new book came was announced speaking of as a loser it's so great so it's called Not My Type not my type that's a very good brilliant and she came out smiling behind the book you know it's not my type forgive me because I'll mess up the subtitle but I think it's a a a one woman versus a president or something she's holding it and she says 'Hello Mr president.' exclamation point uh my more people have read my book before it's even been published than showed up at your parade of fabulous fabulous yep it was so good 24:00 i'm going to get I'm going to get it i'm reading it this weekend well I'm Well you tell me i'm not sure I'm going to buy it but you you report back to all of us but I did actually I mean I in all seriousness she speaks out against him she won the two defamation i mean I she gives me some hope i like seeing that she's standing standing up to hope standing up to Trump right um and gives up gives people hope uh that I think that that was the message I got from a lot of people who went to the to the demonstrations um they felt that they were standing up to this guy um even if the congressional Democrats are not standing up as as a whole uh at least they are right um and you have other races around the country where there is also shades of this yeah um in terms of the big beautiful not beautiful bill that's another one this coming week what's going to happen well I don't think it's going to get through this give us tell us about civics can you tell us about political science what is happening is the parliamentarian gonna I really hope show 25:04 up in my feed okay this this is this is a wonky little piece of but it's important where does it all stand in order to avoid uh the necessity of getting 60 votes in the Senate to get anything done you the Senate has a rule and it's called reconciliation you can get something through on 51 votes but it's got to be gerine gerine is the word they use and that means everything has to uh abide by uh the bird rules this goes back to Robert Bird when he was senate senator from West Virginia he was he was very very strict about the rules in the Senate and he was he was regarded as the guardian of the rules uh the bird rules uh require that certain things be done certain things cannot are not germanine they can't get through on rec reconciliation the parliamentarian has the power to determine which can get through and which cannot and what we're 26:03 we're seeing is a little drama around that what do you think Bird would have thought of Trump uh I think fidious rule following i think Bird would have been appalled would have given him the bird would have given him worse than the bird wow but so it's been interesting to see and the CBO came out right and said it would be really clear how this would add Yes uh two national 2.4 4 trillion to the national debt 2.8 uh well that was the revised oh I see um but the point is and and these things are not etched in stone but the point is that Senate Republicans and House Republicans who are worried about the deficit and worried about the debt now the deficit and debt are not the same thing the deficit is yearly the debt is the cumulative hole that we are in uh and they're worried about us going deeper and deeper into debt especially because as we go deeper and deeper into debt uh our credit rating as a nation uh falls which means that the interest payments 27:05 on that debt increase uh and this is I mean Moody's the credit rating agency just three weeks ago said it's downgrading our debt uh we're having a big big fight over the over lifting the debt limit we have continued to have fights over that and this is what Elon used as his excuse to start that online yes fight now we don't know honestly where whether why Elon did what he does we may never know um but the point is that the the MAGAS and the conservative Republicans are themselves in a big fight over this um and I think that this if this doesn't doom the bill uh the Medicaid cuts right will because a lot of Republican states u and the constituents are very desperately dependent on Medicaid as they are on food stamps um and social security and social security i mean let's let's be 28:01 very very clear uh that the the red states have a huge number of people who depend on Medicaid and on food stamps and yes social security well the real thing is is Medicare medicare is also in this the House bill heather the point is you really have so many things going on in this bill uh that are controversial and Republicans don't agree on the idea that it can get done by the artificial date and it's artificial this July 1st deadline that Trump established is purely out of his own fantasy right and the S they are on vacation they need some summer vacation too they will take it it's going to be hard to hard to do that so um last Saturday was so scary in terms of these um killings in Minnesota so I wasn't here for to discuss that with you and I don't know if you and Michael got into it too much but there's this rise I mean we're watching this 29:03 rise of authoritarianism and with it this underpinning of political violence um some you know instigated by Trump's rhetoric and other people's rhetoric obviously but that's been scary to watch well it's it's frightening because Trump uh has these shock troops these brown shirts if you will these vigilantes uh he uh he pardoned 1,600 of them remember from the capital riot and uh there are a lot of crazy people out there um the uh attempted um well e even the the killings of and murders of those Minnesota legislators legislators really are the beginnings hopefully not but but could be the beginnings of a of something very very ugly we've seen it in the past uh as well um I mean I remember today in fact is the 61st 30:01 anniversary of something that is painful to me um one of my friends 61 years ago was um was murdered by the Klux Klux Clan uh for trying to register black voters in Mississippi uh Michael Schwerner and it changed my life when I heard that he had been killed uh you know I I think we have to face that in this country there is a deep um underbelly of violence uh no other country allows as much as many guns um no other country has the history of of brutality slavery of the genocide of the Native Americans as we do uh and uh when people are hearing from a president or from major political people uh that the other side is are socialist scum uh you know that they are they are horrible people that 31:01 are being demonized uh you are bringing out you're kind of um you're you're inviting uh this this this horrible violent underworld and underbelly of America uh it's it's of deep concern it's so scary and Mickey Schwarner as you used to call him I mean you knew him right from your middle school and elementary school days and he protected you when you were bullied he did well you know he was up in um the Aderonic Mountains during the summer uh I met him i was young much younger than he was but he he had this much he had this warmth this loveliness about him uh that radiated and other it just had a calming influence um and so the idea that he was registering black voters uh and viciously murdered and viciously murdered he and other two other civil rights workers uh one of them black and another white um it uh it it was a a 32:02 horrible period in American history obviously it was just before the Civil Rights Act was enacted um and the Voting Rights Act uh in ' 64 and ' 65 it's hard to go back to those times um but I sometimes with my students go back there because uh a lot of people don't have a historic understanding they don't they see what's going on now uh they say this is the worst it's ever been no it's not the worst it's ever been uh you know those years uh it's differently bad it's it's differently bad i mean Donald Trump is the worst president I think we've ever had uh but there have been bad times but so much of the rhetoric is being normalized but then with TV and our phones I mean you had social media and social media you had Senator Padilla who was yanked out of a conference you know and detained and then you had Brad Lander and that Brand Lander I mean uh you know even my granddaughter she writes to me and she says 'What's going 33:05 on?' I mean she saw it on the social media she saw this guy who's running for mayor of New York being roughed up uh you know roughed up in in brutal ways and that's that's normalizing too i mean this is a kind of a new wave uh and that this is ICE you know the the idea that you have in this country uh a a an effective army uh putting to one side whether they are federalized or not uh in terms of in terms of military proof the average active troops uh you have in this country ICE uh knocking on doors grabbing people uh basically um snatching them up from the streets uh and uh and not giving them due process this is another aspect that seems uh yes you said there it's being normalized it's being normalized to the extent that people don't have a historical 34:01 understanding of where this country has been right and where and what our ideals are and what our aspirations are right the explanations you talked about earlier you got to keep explaining so in terms of New York City mentioning that so there's a mayoral race going on uh yes and you endorsed Zoron Mandani i did this week a couple days ago i I think uh I I thought a lot about it Heather um he is on the side of social justice he is really a uh a Democrat from the progressive wing of the Democratic party that needs to uh be the mayor of New York i mean he he's the kind of person who would do a good job in my humble opinion right well we saw your humble opinion on the internet and so thank you for showing us that endorsement what's interesting is there's someone else who's running in that race who might have some more corporate backers than I think Zoron does Andrew Cuomo and there 35:01 is something that lives on from I don't know 20 years ago or something where you were on Conan O'Brien and we have to watch it it's a very funny clip we have to have jobs are on the line oh come on Chief that's it o'brien I need your seal and your peace right now you too Rice oh yeah where you going to find somebody with my skills huh we already have former Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Andrew Cuomo cuomo that was very funny well it was funny doing it with Con O'Brien so funny i mean we I'm He's a good guy i know i'm I mean I don't know i can imagine he is but he's too tall i mean too tall he is too tall no I mean in the rest of I hurt my neck when I when I was dealing with him but you all did you were very funny together so there's that so I'm excited to read Eugene Carol's book can I say that again yes you can i'm so excited heather let me I have a question for you 36:01 are you excited to read Eene Carol's book oh I'm so glad you asked i'm really excited um but so the reason I wasn't here last week I have to report back is that we had the world premiere of The Last Class which is a movie really about education we tracked and democracy and democracy and we tracked you teaching your for your last semester um and it was so special we sold out the theater and I just have to say that it reminded me similar to what you were saying about the no kings protests and people coming together in community reminding each other that there is solidarity and there is a fight to be had and they're in it together i feel like a movie theater kind of did that and this film brought us together so thank you for the excuse to do that and I'm excited to be able to bring it to other people so if you go to the lastclassfilm.com you can sign up and we'll be getting it to different theaters across the country but it's an important point about people coming together um and feeling the 37:01 energy and the hope and the excitement that comes from uh being in the same place doing the same thing at a protest 37:08 or in the theater or wherever watching something that is exciting uh we don't have enough of that no and it's with 37:14 like-minded people and it's strangers and there's something fortifying about that where you say 'I don't know any of these faces and we're all here with the same spirit and we're here with the same goals.' And I think that's a very um worthy and important do you have other things to I don't want to I don't want to uh undercut you but I think that that's an important point you didn't undercut i think that's it do do you want to talk about Eugene Carol's book for a minute no I don't i think we're done but I want a book report oh you're getting one whether you want it or not next week listen I I just on that note um of people coming together and feeling solidarity and feeling energy and feeling hope uh many of you uh last week told me that you did feel that uh 38:02 and it was the largest we think on the basis of preliminary data the largest demonstration u maybe in American history u we have to now think about what is next what how do we use that energy how do we use that solidarity uh to build for uh the political future uh to make sure that we put up a bull work against Donald Trump in 20 in 2026 um and to make sure that we never have uh this kind of fascism again uh a lot of it's up to us uh democracy is not a spectator sport and this is um really the the underlying purpose of what we are doing uh here it's to give you both information but also assurance and courage uh so that you can go forward and be the leader that you've been waiting for thanks see you next week [Music]

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