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UKRAINE SIR BILL BROWDER DISCUSSES Times Radio: Putin will be 'out of business' in three months if Trump follows through PLAY YOUTUBE VIDEO Original article: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhUo5Oc6ikw Peter Burgess COMMENTARY For me, Bill Browder is something of a hero ... working hard to push back against the various horrors that have been Putin's agenda. It is good to see that the UK has seen fit to recognise Browder with a knighthood! Peter Burgess
Putin will be 'out of business' in three months if Trump follows through \| Sir Bill Browder Times Radio Jun 9, 2025 1.45M subscribers The Trump Report Sir Bill Browder joins Times Radio’s Maddie Hale to discuss the United States redirecting 20,000 anti-drone missiles meant for Ukraine, whether Donald Trump plans to revoke further military aid and intelligence to the war-torn country and how US sanctions affecting Russia would put Vladimir Putin “out of business” and unable to fund his invasion. Join this channel to get access to perks - / @listentotimesradio 📻 Listen to Times Radio - https://www.thetimes.co.uk/radio 🗞 Subscribe to The Times https://www.thetimes.co.uk/subscribe/... 📲 Get the free Times Radio app https://www.thetimes.co.uk/radio/how-... Transcript 0:00 will will Ukraine lose the war if the United States pulls out no uh will the Ukraine Ukrainians suffer dramatically and will there be a greater loss of civilian and military lives as a result of the US pulling out absolutely hi I'm Mattie Hail and welcome to the Trump Report today we've spoken to Sir Bill Browder has come on the show to speak about the fact that the United States government has officially revoked some military equipment they were sent meant to send to Ukraine and it's now gone to the Middle East so what that means whether that's the start of the US backing away from supporting Ukraine we also speak about this bipartisan bill that is supposedly meant to pass in the Senate which would hit any country importing Russian energy with 500% tariff how effective this would be why Donald Trump has been delaying this so all that today on the Trump Report you can watch us every day Monday through 1:00 Friday on Times Radio's YouTube or you can stream us as a podcast anywhere you get your podcast sir Bill Browder thank you so much for joining the Trump Report today great to be here uh Bill it was reported last week but it's now being confirmed by President Zalinski that the defense secretary of the United States Pete Hegse he redirected around 20,000 anti- drone missiles that were meant to be sent to Ukraine he's then sent them to US troops in the Middle East instead zalinski said that they were counting on these anti- drone missiles so how worrying is this to we start to see this well I I think this is the first in many signs that we're going to see um in the coming weeks and months of the US effectively withdrawing from supporting Ukraine uh that there Trump has made no secret of it pete Haggath has made no secret of it marco Rubio has made no 2:00 secret of it the US is effectively washing its hands of Ukraine and what's what's really important to understand is when when they say um they they've given up on on um trying to mediate a solution to this whole thing what they're really saying is they're giving up on supporting Ukraine to give Putin a military advantage that's what's happening here and um it's tragic it will lead to loss of of civilian life a lot of people are going to be killed civilians killed uh in Ukraine and that that is the direct result of US withdrawing their support but Bill we wondered if Donald Trump would grow frustrated with the lack of mediation the lack of negotiation and you've said it from the start that these negotiations with Trump would never lead anywhere but we did think perhaps the United States would at least keep up military aid and intelligence well so what's happening so far is that 3:01 the Ukrainians have um mil US military aid which will run out at the end of the year and this was military aid that was approved by Congress um and supplied prior to Trump and as time has gone on um even some of that military aid is being diverted as we've seen with these um anti- drone uh equipment and we're not going to see Donald Trump going back to Congress to approve any more military aid and um and then the question is um intelligence and and that's a big wild card but to the extent that Trump has shown his uh affinity towards Putin um one can assume that at some point in time that intelligence sharing is also going to cease well the the only thing we can counter with Trump is that if it doesn't look good on him it doesn't look good on his legacy then he might change the course Bill so if this does happen Donald Trump uh decides okay we're going to keep up 4:01 we sorry we're going to get rid of aid we're going to get rid of intelligence we're going to wipe our hands clean of anything to do with Russia Ukraine how badly will this look on Trump's administration well he doesn't seem to be too concerned about his legacy based on many other uh tactics and factors that he's uh uh using i mean he he um uh how how is it going to look on his legacy that blow up at the um Oval Office where he attacked the victim um Zalinski the Ukrainians um I mean there there's I don't believe that that he's even thinking about his legacy i think he's thinking about his deal making he thinks he can make a deal with Putin i don't know what he's getting on the other side of this deal but it certainly is not supporting Western the Western world and and the Europeans and the Ukrainians it seems to be siding with Vladimir Putin but we did think he was thinking about his Nobel Peace Prize bill so I think that he's obviously going to be uh uh relinquishing any chance of at least 5:02 getting that because we know that he's been very keen on getting one of them but of course by not um you know ending the war in 24 hours or at least his first six months of the administration then that's out of the question well I I mean I think this whole idea of him getting a Nobel Peace Prize is a sort of a fantasy it's like a sort of lottery ticket that he's not going to win uh you know he's he's um in his conduct in with Russia and Ukraine he's done nothing that would would win him a Nobel Peace Prize if the United States does withdraw aid does withdraw intelligence or kind of just stops negotiations stops involvement in this war in general are you confident that the EU that NATO allies uh can have the facilities have the capabilities military-wise to replace what the US might take away well it's not a sort of um yes no answer so the Europeans um have a lot of resources 6:00 at their disposal they they've provided about 60% of military aid and that aid will continue the Europeans also have access uh to $300 billion of Russian central bank reserves that have been frozen that can be confiscated uh to use towards Ukraine and so from a financial standpoint it's not all that dire but the United States has certain equipment that only they make the United States um for example uh are the only people that make Patriot missiles that shoot down um foreign objects coming into Ukraine the United States um has has a big supply of anti- drone uh technology that other people can't provide and perhaps most importantly the United States has an unbelievable amount of satellite intelligence the US has more spy satellites than everybody else combined uh if if the US wants to know what you've had on your sandwich um they can see that from space um and and that's if they withdraw that um that will be uh 7:02 devastating because effectively um the Ukrainians will be flying blind in terms of not knowing when the Russians are launching an attack not knowing when Russians are moving troops closer to the Ukrainian territory and various things like that and so I think that's a particularly worrying part of the whole uh story and so will will Ukraine lose the war if the United States pulls out no will the Ukraine Ukrainians suffer dramatically and will there be a greater loss of civilian and military lives as a result of the US pulling out absolutely and do we have any developments on this $300 billion of frozen Russian assets bill you and I have spoken about it so many times and there was always the the thought process that perhaps uh they would at least use it to buy American military equipment so that the US was somehow involved but we haven't really had many major developments on that as 8:00 of later especially in the last few weeks well so the there's a new German chancellor he's not that new but he's pretty new um uh there's there's a a budget crisis in the UK um there's a budget crisis in various other countries um it's it's not something which um uh and it's something that has to be decided and and I think what will determine the outcome of this $300 billion is very simply um you know numbers financial numbers at the end of the day when when the US makes it clear that they're pulling out and I think that every day we get closer to that uh certainty uh then the Europeans will have to make one of two choices either they raise taxes further on their own citizens in order to support Ukraine um or they let Vladimir Putin pay for it and when it's when when when governments are faced with that choice um it's a much easier choice to make than than to do this thing um theoretically um about 9:00 the idea of the US pulling out i mean at the moment everybody all these governments are sitting there and sort of you know trying to cajul and plate and and convince Donald Trump to stay in the game to continue to support Ukraine to do what what the uh the previous American administration had done and when it becomes clear that that's not going to happen then then we come to plan B and then what is plan B either raising taxes or or confiscating Putin's money i think this choice is very simple uh Bill we didn't really hear much from Donald Trump after Operation Spiderweb which is of course uh Ukraine's successful mission where they shot down various Russian um aircrafts last week we've been waiting for Donald Trump to say say something but then on Friday he finally told reporters he said 'Ukraine gave Putin a reason to go in and bomb the hell out of them last night that's the thing I don't like about it when I saw it I said 'Here we go now it's going 10:00 to be a strike.' What's your reaction to when you have the president of the United States coming out and that's his that's his reaction to Ukraine's successful mission well it's so obviously biased towards Putin uh I mean the rest of the world was cheering as Ukraine has basically decapitated a third of Russia's strategic bombing uh capability and by the way this doesn't just benefit uh Ukraine it benefits all the Western world because those bombers are the same bombers that would be sending nuclear weapons to Europe or to the United States for that matter this is a huge strategic win and so for Donald Trump to say that it just shows that he's you know he's biased towards Putin and and nobody else has that opinion so late last week uh Donald Trump was hosting the new German chancellor as you said Frederick Mertz at the um Oval Office and he had an interesting analogy when it was coming to when it came to the war bill that he said he considered Zilinsky and Putin to be two young children fighting like 11:01 crazy they hate each other they're fighting in a park and you try and pull them apart they don't want to be pulled sometimes you're better off letting them fight for a while and then pulling them apart and I've given that analogy to Putin yesterday so what's your reaction to that well again this shows um Donald Trump's bias towards Vladimir Putin um it it shows he he he somehow projects some kind of moral equivalence to both of them uh Vladimir Putin is the invader he's the aggressor he's the one who launched a full-scale invasion of a peaceful sovereign state a neighbor state Ukraine ukraine is the victim ukraine is defending themselves from a an aggressor and so um uh for for him to say it's just like two guys scuffling in the park is just it's an insult to the unbelievable bravery of the Ukrainian people to hold up so well i mean it's an injustice that that's 12:01 unimaginable they're just sitting there trying to stop the murder of their own people and for Donald Trump to criticize them is just so awful that it's it's hard to even put words on it zalinski responded well we saw the Kremlin's response to the park analogy saying that the war was an existential issue but then we saw President Zalinski saying that we are not kids with uh Putin at the playground in the park he's a murderer who came to this park and killed the kids so I wonder Bill how tough do you think it must be for Zilinski to try and bite his tongue as much as he can while also relying so heavily on this aid and intelligence from the United States and not wanting him to revoke it well it's an impossible situation and and it will eventually resolve itself in in the worstc case scenario which is the that the US will withdraw their their aid and when that happens um he doesn't have to hold his tongue anymore but but there will be unfortunately a lot of a lot more dead 13:00 Ukrainians because Putin he just doesn't care and by the way this is not something new for Putin um when Putin launched his invasion of Cheschna um when he first came to power in 2000 he killed like 70,000 people he completely leveled Cheschna um when he went into Georgia same type of thing carpet bombing Syria um he doesn't care how many people die he doesn't care what the consequences are and he's doing the same thing in Ukraine and the only difference between Ukraine and those other three examples is that Ukraine uh at least has some capability of fighting back and some capability which is supported by Western governments if we were all to withdraw from helping Ukraine it would look just like Syria looks right now uh Bill I want to get into this sanctions bill that's being proposed it's a bipartisan bill uh from Lindsey Graham and uh Richard Blumenile now they've come forward this sanctions bill that would basically slap any country 14:00 importing Russian energy with a 500% tariff you and I have spoken about how effective this would be to Russia's economy but what we found is right now it hasn't actually gone through the Senate but so far there's around 80 senators um out of 100 that are supporting this bill now the Wall Street Journal has reported that the White House has quietly asked Senator Lindsey Graham to uh water down this sanctions bill so when you see Trump threatening Putin across a number of months with these sanctions that would destroy his economy why is he now stalling because um these were just words not deeds and um and if you you know there Donald Trump originally wanted to end this war in 24 hours he comes in and he says to the Ukrainians I want you to announce a a 30-day unconditional ceasefire they do he then asks the Russians to do the same they don't um 15:00 then it goes on and on and on the Russians instead of ceasefiring um uh launch the biggest attacks that Ukraine has ever seen on their civilian populations donald Trump doesn't sanction he gives them more time he gives them more time after that um uh and and so he's not interested in punishing Vladimir Putin that's obvious and what what's been helpful is that um his position is unique to him he he only he's the only person in the United States that has this position the American people don't have this position and the Republican party in Congress doesn't have this position as is evidenced by the unbelievable bipartisan support for this piece of legislation which would basically put Putin out of business and so it's no surprise to me um to to have read that same article in the Wall Street Journal about how they're pressuring how the Donald Trump and his administration is pressuring the US Senate or his I should say Lindsey Graham who's the author of that bill to 16:00 water it down so he doesn't have to do what would be the right thing to do here and um and the real question is um will Lindsey Graham um roll over because Lindsey Graham is is notorious as a friend to Ukraine and as an enemy to Vladimir Putin i know him well and I know that his position is is strong and it's sincere and the question is will he roll over here because uh if he does then then the bill is not going to end up um kneecafing Putin and putting him into an impossible position well what is interesting about this bill is that this sanctions bill doesn't actually it didn't need to be written in the sense that foreign policy comes down to the US president so what it shows to me is by having two bipartisan senators write a bill and get 80 senators to back it just shows that there's obviously a a a bit of a divide going on within Congress and within the Senate that people really do believe that uh Trump needs to be 17:00 harsher on Vladimir Putin so much so that they've gone and done the hard work behind the scenes and they're proposing it to Trump and he's not only delaying he's not only saying that it needs to be watered down but he's apparently according to Senator Roger Wicker quite literally asked them not to uh bring it to the Senate and vote on it yet so I wonder what amendments he's planning on making if he plans on even looking at it if it gets to his desk but uh over we also saw that Russia's deputy foreign minister Sergey Rapkov he said that Moscow's stance on the war will not be altered by sanctions he said that US hottheheads who have lost the remnants of common sense in the US Senate because they don't know that this is the reality but do you believe that bill that uh Russia won't change their stance if they are hit with these sanctions well I mean Russia if they get hit with these sanctions they'll be out of business in three months that's that's as simple as that they can huff and puff and and make all sorts of grand statements but in the 18:00 end of the day if they run out of money they can't conduct the war and then they'll be in a position where they either will be defeated or they have to negotiate a reasonable settlement and so this this sanctions bill is is a very powerful tool that by the way doesn't cost the American public any money at all um uh in fact is a revenue generator if if they end up with these tariffs these 500% tariffs on countries that um buy Russian oil and so this is this is probably the most the US can do in addition to continuing military aid to end this war and if Trump really wants to end this war this is what he would do yeah so Bill if this does gets passed in the Senate and it goes onto Trump's desk and he doesn't sign or he makes several amendments that completely uh take away the reason for the bill in the first place does that make any sense to you looking at it as does it make any sense why Donald Trump would not sign this off 19:00 it what the legislative branch is a co-equal branch of government to the executive branch which means that if Congress passes a law and they pass it with more than than 75% votes then there's nothing that the president can do other than sign it he cannot veto the bill he cannot amend the bill he can't do anything to the bill and therefore um with 80 senators supporting this piece of legislation assuming that he doesn't strongarm these people into changing it um then the legislation will go through but of course there's a lot of other you know crosscurrens in in US politics trump is a big notorious power player who uses his power to threaten people in all sorts of ways and so it's hard to know what will happen but uh presuming that the sentiment continues and presuming that that they could get this vote to the floor uh then then what we're going to see is that um Trump doesn't really have any choice in the matter and and um and presidents always 20:01 make the argument that they should be um the only people involved in foreign policy but Congress um has the ability to pass laws that are involved in foreign policy and this is one example well let's hope that it gets uh to the Senate this week so Bill Browder thank you so much for your time today thank you [Music]

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