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How Donald Trump’s world tariff turmoil is already causing grief for Aussies
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- 0:00
- coming up this swimsuit here probably
- would be 140 retail and when you add on
- Trump's tariff well over 200 how do you
- cop that the cost of living crisis we
- can't blame on CRA it's our turn to do
- the ripping aussie struggling we don't
- know what'll happen next week thanks to
- Trump's tariff turmoil havoc is an
- understatement we've got a real problem
- here that's next on 60 Minutes
- a long time ago 21 years to be exact in
- a capital far far away Washington DC
- Australia and the United States signed
- an historic free trade agreement at the
- time it was a new hope for shared
- prosperity everyone was pleased
- especially the Americans who truth be
- told probably got the better end of the
- deal but now that pact seemingly counts
- for nothing donald Trump says he's sick
- of America being ripped off by other
- nations including Australia and has
- 1:00
- decreed his empire will strike back
- negotiating with the undeniable force of
- the US President won't be easy for our
- newly reelected Prime Minister Anthony
- Albani however it's a mission he has no
- option but to get right
- [Music]
- if you want to see the global economy in
- action the cotton fields of Bogbry in
- northern New South Wales are as good a
- place as
- anywhere right now there's a bumper crop
- and picking is in full swing you're
- normally worrying about the weather
- Andrew not not trade wars well that's
- right that's that's what I do here i
- grow things
- it's here you'll find sixth generation
- farmer Andrew Watson he's a hardworking
- 2:00
- Aussie who's part of an industry which
- delivers more than $3.5 billion dollars
- to the Australian economy each year how
- long until all of this cotton becomes a
- product could be 10 12 months by the
- time it goes through the worldwide
- process to be spun into thread to then
- be woven into cloth and then be cut and
- sewn up to be a shirt so all of that on
- someone's back in 10 months that's right
- wow yeah it's a it's a long process it
- can be in multiple countries so making
- sure this can move around the world
- easily is important absolutely world
- trade is really important for Australian
- agriculture and Australian cotton in
- particular
- cotton is the mainstay of Andrew's
- family farm but he also grows crops like
- canola corn and mustard and raises
- cattle cotton all gets exported because
- there's no spinning mills in Australia
- so that's could be off to Indonesia or
- 3:00
- Vietnam to be spun into thread but uh we
- also grow Durham wheat which invariably
- goes off to Italy to make top quality
- pasta uh we grow um mustard at various
- times which this year will be ending up
- in Japan as wasabi sauce and sometimes
- we grow sorghum which can be exported to
- China to make beer you're feeding and
- clothing the world
- bit by bit
- with 70% of what Andrew produces
- destined for overseas he's at the mercy
- of Donald Trump's war on free trade it's
- the long-term potential for a global
- economic slowdown that's the big concern
- the main uncertainty is whether this
- trade war will spill over into a world
- recession if we can't sell it that
- really puts a lot of pressure on where
- this farm will
- sit and so that's probably the big
- threat that we're facing
- my fellow Americans this is Liberation
- 4:02
- Day waiting for a long time
- it's now nearly 6 weeks since Donald
- Trump fired the opening salvo in his
- vicious trade war china
- 67% japan 46%
- dishing out tariffs to friends and foes
- like prizes in a game show indonesia
- Malaysia Cambodia oh look at Cambodia
- 97%
- when you watched him up there with his
- you know his poster placard with all of
- his big numbers on it as a businessman
- what are you thinking i just kind of
- breathed it in and just thought 'Wow
- this is going to be an interesting ride
- put my seatelt on
- strap yourself in.' Yes would anybody
- like a hat
- this is home yeah yeah this is home
- since President Trump's so-called
- liberation day Steve Philpot's
- 5:01
- Sydneybased fashion group Bondi has
- taken a
- hammering each year his company exports
- about $20 million worth of high-end
- swimwear around the globe when I started
- Bondi I knew that I wanted to take it to
- the rest of the world we're selling
- pretty much in every European country
- we're selling in North America we've
- started to sell in the Middle East we're
- selling in Asia and it's all about
- Australia and our lifestyle everyone
- wants a little slice of this everyone
- wants a piece of this the 10% tariff
- imposed on Australian goods is bad
- enough but Bondi's bottom line is being
- gouged by a double whammy the company
- produces four brands of swimwear three
- of them made in
- China with a third of what's produced
- there destined for customers in America
- now slugged with tariffs of
- 145% the cost of doing business has
- 6:00
- suddenly gone through the roof whatever
- we have on the water right now and
- whatever we're delivering right now
- which is there's there's a few million
- dollars worth of orders we we have going
- we're paying tariffs on that now so it's
- it's effective pretty much immediately
- for everything that we've shipped and
- landing in the US after that how do you
- cop that i'm not happy about it but I I
- don't really have a choice so on average
- how much does a customer in the US spend
- this swimsuit here that would probably
- be 140 retail mhm 140 US retail and when
- you add on Trump's tariffs how much will
- it cost if we were to pass the tariff on
- it it would be you know be up around 200
- wow and would a customer pay that no the
- customer won't pay that and I I don't
- believe the retailers can pay it either
- so So what do you do we're we're passing
- a little bit on and we're absorbing most
- of it and we're basically holding steady
- staying calm holding steady and waiting
- 7:00
- to see what happens how much money are
- you absorbing then
- uh look if I was to do a calendar year
- it's
- it's it'll be up close to a million
- dollars wow what's the talk in your
- industry what are your colleagues saying
- to you uh a lot of exploitives
- everybody's just like 'What the', you
- know no one really understands where
- it's going to land it's very difficult
- to be able to make plans as a business
- when the landscape is moving so fast and
- just so dramatically it's affecting
- everyone i think it's affecting the
- entire planet like the everyone I know
- in every country that I know is all
- talking about it they just can't believe
- it like it's quite incredible what's
- happened
- it's not free trade they may have come
- as a shock but in truth Donald Trump has
- been obsessing about tariffs since his
- days as a New York property tycoon the
- fact is that you don't have free trade
- we think of it as free trade but you
- right now don't have free trade and I
- 8:01
- think a lot of people are tired of
- watching other countries ripping off the
- United States this is a great country he
- at a very early age latched on to the
- idea back in the 1980s that these were
- people who were coming after America and
- he was going to get them and the way to
- get them was with tariffs they laugh at
- us behind our backs they laugh at us
- because of our own stupidity that idea
- simplistic as it is has stuck with him
- ever
- since
- few people have a better understanding
- of Donald Trump than biographer Mark
- Fischer he says the president's
- motivation is far less sophisticated
- than it might seem do you think that
- this is just one big attempt to take
- down China the idea that Trump just
- wants to take down China is presuming
- that Trump has an ideology a a
- philosophy a political strategy that's
- not what this is about this is about
- 9:00
- Trump's lifelong fascination with the
- term tariffs tariff is the most
- beautiful word in the dictionary he
- likes the idea of it he likes the idea
- that you punish someone and get
- something for it that's a very Trumpian
- concept
- what's at stake is far more than money
- in one fell swoop trusted global
- alliances have been shaken to the core
- they've ripped us off left and right but
- now it's our turn to do the ripping
- there's a tremendous amount of fear that
- is bubbling through the country and the
- world right now and it's fear of
- instability and it's fear of Donald
- Trump's chaos and it's fear engendered
- by the fact that no one knows exactly
- what Trump's going to do next which is
- exactly the way Trump likes it i mean
- he's destroying global relations he's
- crashing markets it's quite
- 10:01
- extraordinary
- it is it is extraordinary and this is
- stuff that is not just a matter of uh a
- few days of tanking on Wall Street this
- is a longterm message that's being sent
- that changes things that you can't
- immediately put back in in the bottle
- you can't mend alliances that took
- decades if not a century to build that
- you then blew up in one day you can't
- immediately fix them with a band-aid it
- doesn't work that way and uh Americans
- are going to be paying the price for
- this for some time to come
- coming up the propaganda war heats up as
- the US and China slug out their trade
- differences if you hold a gun at my head
- I hold a gun at your head
- 11:00
- if there's one thing that's in overdrive
- right now it's Beijing's propaganda
- machine
- chinese internet users have harnessed
- the power of AI to unleash a wave of
- online trolling of President Trump and
- his administration
- complete with dystopian American
- factories that poke fun at the brave new
- future of manufacturing in the US
- but for all the silliness the
- repercussions of what's playing out
- couldn't be more serious the ball is in
- China's court china needs to make a deal
- with us we don't have to make a deal
- with them while both sides have recently
- signaled they are open to
- negotiation neither is showing any real
- sign of backing down this will destroy
- the foundation upon which the
- international order is based upon so
- 12:02
- this is very very dangerous who is going
- to blink first president Xi or President
- Trump china will never blink first
- analyst Victor Gao is vice president of
- the Center for China and
- globalization and an unofficial
- mouthpiece for the regime in Beijing
- china is fully prepared for a situation
- where two-way trade between China and
- the United States will grind to a
- complete halt no more Chinese exports to
- the United States no more US export to
- China china's logic is very simple tit
- for tat if you slap me in the face I
- slap you in the face if you hold a gun
- at my head I hold a gun at your head if
- you threaten war I threaten war back at
- you bingo so we need to use peace to
- solve the problem between China and the
- United States
- china is now punching back with an equal
- 13:00
- amount of tariffs on American exports
- china's President Xi has hit back
- raising tariffs on US goods to
- 125% and announcing restrictions on rare
- earths
- essential to the production of advanced
- technologies like fighter jets and
- missile guidance systems
- we will cut off all these supplies to
- you and we will never trade in any
- meaningful way rare earth with the
- Americans and I'm afraid the national
- defense industry in the United States
- will need to come to a complete halt the
- early signs for both economies are
- troubling chinese manufacturing has
- dropped to its lowest level since
- 2023 while the US economy shrank.3 of a
- percent in the first 3 months of this
- year and that was before the most
- aggressive trade policy had taken effect
- 14:00
- for the first time President Trump has
- conceded his tariffs could lead to fewer
- and costlier products at home
- maybe the children will have two dolls
- instead of $30 you know and maybe the
- two dolls will cost a couple of bucks
- more than they would normally i'm just
- saying they don't need to have $30 they
- can have three they don't need to have
- 250 pencils they can have five but
- you're basically saying there could be
- some supply shortages because they don't
- have to waste money on a trade deficit
- with China for things we don't need for
- junk that we don't need
- donald Trump is really wreaking havoc
- isn't he havoc is an understatement
- we've got a real problem here steven
- Cakulus has analyzed his fair share of
- financial turmoil over the years but
- nothing quite like this a one-time
- adviser to Prime Minister Julia Gillard
- and the former chief economist of two
- major banks he's watching what's playing
- out with gritted teeth
- 15:02
- we're seeing trade flows stop already
- that the linkages between China and the
- US are down about 60 to 70% so already
- we've got this global trade slowing down
- impacting commodity prices which are
- down and then of course impacting
- financial markets which are incredibly
- volatile uh more down than up how ugly
- though is it going to get before any
- resolution here do you think the
- worrying thing uh that could occur from
- this is a US recession and given that
- the US is still the dominant economy in
- the world that filters through into a
- global recession and recessions are bad
- it means businesses close down it means
- people lose their jobs we don't want
- that to happen of course not but that's
- a risk that happens when global trade is
- dislocated the way that it looks as if
- it's been it's still in the early stages
- of this trade war evolving this will
- take a couple of years to fully play out
- president Trump's 90-day pause on higher
- 16:00
- rate tariffs for countries excluding
- China ends on July the 8th i'm telling
- you these countries are calling us up
- kissing my ass they are the clock is
- ticking and as yet the administration's
- continual promises of trade deals with
- eager nations have come to virtually
- nothing when you talk about why Trump
- does things the answer is because The
- Trump Show has a new episode coming
- dummy that's it
- author and Trump expert Mark Fischer
- says the next phase of this trade war
- could be even more
- chaotic what's going to happen at the
- end of the 90 days do you think the
- generally reasonable assumption with all
- things Trump is there'll be another 90
- days or another 30 days or another week
- or another year it's always a question
- of kicking the ball a little bit farther
- 17:00
- down the field and trying to create a
- distraction and declaring victory that's
- the toolkit declare
- victory change
- reality distract people's attention
- that's about all he has i assume he'll
- use all of those tools because it's a
- pretty tough
- situation china is imploring Australia
- to join forces against what it sees as a
- weaponization of tariffs by the US it's
- gross hypocrisy of course from a country
- that for years imposed its own crippling
- trade restrictions on Australian goods
- including wine lobster and coal but
- Chinese analyst Victor Gao insists times
- have changed china slapped the tariffs
- on Australian goods when China
- Australian relations were very strained
- because China believed the Australian
- 18:01
- government at that time blindly followed
- the dictates from Washington you are a
- strong ally of the United States
- everyone knows about that but don't let
- that
- alliance take away your own brain power
- or independence and I would say the
- market demand in China for many things
- made in Australia will be huge but if
- Australia does the wrong thing for
- example blindly follow the American
- leadership and try to pick a fight with
- China at no provocation at all then
- China need to retaliate china need to
- slap tariffs on Australia made goods
- given the competing pressures economist
- Steven Cakulus says Australia needs to
- act with extreme caution we've got that
- wonderful trade flow to China and that's
- a really important link for the
- Australian economy it's been one of the
- reasons why we've had decades of pretty
- good economic growth and we've got a
- very very important um relationship with
- 19:00
- the US on on geopolitical issues if
- that's jeopardized because we're
- excluding the US from our trade then
- there's a risk that some of that uh
- wonderful relationship that we've got
- with the US starts to deteriorate so we
- have to decide who we go to bed with our
- defense partner or our trade partner
- hopefully we can do both but there's a
- risk that that doesn't always um become
- compatible to the people involved so
- we've got to tread very carefully
- out near the cotton fields of Bogger
- Andrew Watson is enjoying the end of a
- stunning autumn day it's not a bad way
- to spend your afternoon right i could
- not agree more could not agree more
- like every farmer he's learned to be
- resilient and play the long game
- i think it's a bit of a short-term storm
- in a teacup let's give it 6 months and
- see what's happened there's already been
- enough uh back flips and turns already
- 20:02
- that we don't know what'll happen next
- week so I'm not seeing there's going to
- be a massive change in the short term
- i'm better off going on and harvesting
- my crop and getting it sold than
- worrying about that as for swimwear
- exporter Steve Philpot he's just hopeful
- that common sense will win the day and
- that Donald Trump's deal making bluff
- and bluster will turn out to be just
- that everyone's scared so people aren't
- spending they're saving more they're
- they're worried the the whole world is
- worried right now and if this just gets
- uglier what do you do
- i guess I just keep moving making the
- decisions I need to make to keep the
- business alive i feel like there's a lot
- of
- bravado um it's the end percentage what
- the tariff's going to be at the end of
- the day that really matters no matter
- what words are said so I'm
- 21:01
- anxiously patiently waiting to see what
- happens with that interesting times huh
- oh very what a ride what a ride
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