Schiff Joins Jim Acosta Live to Respond to Trump's Latest Scandal
Sen. Adam Schiff
May 16, 2025
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- 0:00
- right there senator Schiff great to see
- you on the show thanks for Hey Jim how
- are you i'm doing fine really appreciate
- the time uh I understand this is your
- first Substack is that correct uh it is
- in this form certainly and great to see
- you appreciate your work hey I
- appreciate your work as well thanks so
- much no I was just laying out for the
- the viewers at home there and they're
- chiming in they're giving their comments
- as well this is a slightly different
- experience than uh your typical cable
- news interview so we'll get some
- feedback from the viewers out there but
- I mean I think we should just get right
- to it i mean you know Trump's trip to
- the Middle East has really put his you
- know his pension for corrupt
- authoritarianism on display and I was
- talking about the Air Force One gambit
- he obviously wants to take this uh this
- gift from the Qataris to the tune of
- $400 million and I understand you're
- requesting that the uh Department of
- Defense's Office of Inspector General
- launch an inquiry into all of this what
- can you tell us about that well they've
- already acknowledged that when they did
- 1:01
- their legal analysis and of course here
- we're relying on the incredibly
- independent objective analysis of Pam
- Bondi uh but they've even acknowledged
- that it would be unlawful
- unconstitutional for them to accept this
- aircraft this 400 million dollar gift
- from the Qataris if it went directly to
- the Trump Foundation so they want to
- launder it through the Defense
- Department which doesn't make it any
- more legal uh it just pulls the defense
- department into this scheme to enrich
- the president and so what I want to know
- from the defense department is a number
- of things first of all what is this
- going to cost taxpayers if they have to
- somehow retrofit this aircraft if
- they've got to go through and
- extensively debug it make sure that
- there's no electronic surveillance if
- they've got to bring it up to the
- standards of an Air Force One and all
- the rest of that what's it going to cost
- the taxpayer how long is it going to
- take if this isn't going to be ready for
- a couple years it means that basically
- 2:01
- Trump is going to get this aircraft on
- his way out the door and it's really
- about just the private use of this plane
- by the president but also what is the
- DoD doing to protect themselves from
- being a party willing or unwilling to
- this this graft this scheme uh what does
- it mean also for our national security
- because the Qataris aren't stupid they
- want something for their $400 million
- investment if it were just a nice
- gesture Jim as the the president likes
- to claim they would have given you the
- plane or maybe given you know someone
- off the street the plane no they gave it
- to the president for a reason right and
- and you know to me I mean I the question
- I wanted to ask today is what is this
- oprah you get a plane you get a plane i
- mean apparently Christy Gnome the DHS
- secretary wants her own new plane as
- well that's been coming out in the
- headlines today and you mentioned Pam
- Bondi the attorney general um signing
- off on this i I I I know that you have
- 3:01
- uh chimed in with a tweet about a story
- that was in ProPublica in the last 24
- hours talking about how she sold between
- a million and 5 million worth of shares
- of Trump Media uh the same day that
- Trump unveiled his terrorists i I I mean
- the larger picture here and I've been
- talking about this on my show is that
- you know there just doing this in plain
- sight just acts of blatant corruption
- and the question has to be asked what
- can be done about this I know Democrats
- are in the minority in the Senate over
- in the House difficult to hold hearings
- but is there any way to shame these
- Republicans into holding some hearings
- here I think there is you know in the in
- the near term probably not to the extent
- of holding a whole hearing on
- But
- nevertheless confronting our colleagues
- here in Congress with the just the
- blatant graft and the danger that it
- poses forcing them not to look away can
- be really impactful and to give you one
- illustration I put a hold on Ed Martin's
- 4:02
- nomination for US attorney in DC this
- was someone with no prosecutorial
- experience someone who was a stop the
- steel lawyer someone who said we should
- go easier on people who beat cops
- someone who was promoting avowed Nazi
- admirers this is a partial list and the
- longer we uh held his nomination the
- more that we brought out to the public
- about his unfitness for office the
- bigger a burden it became to the
- Republicans on the judiciary committee
- to the point where his nomination went
- down uh they knew that wouldn't pass and
- so they moved on so it can have a an
- impact that kind of oversight is
- important but I think it's even more
- important visa v the public um and
- because the numbers are so big with the
- Trump graft it's hard for people to wrap
- their head around it
- because it's out in the open it's hard
- for the country to wrap its head around
- 5:00
- it and in fact the Trump administration
- is quite aware of this the defenders say
- 'Well it's all out in the open it's
- transparent.' As if transparent
- corruption makes it any less corrupt but
- to give you one other quick illustration
- the Trump memecoin right um and this
- Gayla dinner they're inviting people to
- with a promise of access to the
- president and a White House tour that
- memecoin whether it goes up in value or
- down in value uh the transaction fees
- all go into the pocket of Donald Trump
- it's it's the most clear graft but
- because this is out in the open in a way
- it's really hard for people to
- understand just how crooked a deal this
- is and I think people think well how is
- this gayla different than a campaign
- fundraising gayla the difference is this
- money is not going to some campaign
- right this money is going right into
- Donald Trump's pocket and I think we
- need to spell that out for folks yeah
- 6:00
- yeah i mean there was a time when we
- thought gosh when folks are doing
- obnoxious things for campaign donations
- that that was pretty bad stuff and and
- here he's just he's just putting the
- money in his pockets i mean I I've been
- describing it as sort of like those game
- shows where people run through the
- supermarket with a shopping cart and
- just try to pile as many goodies into
- the shopping cart as possible that seems
- to be what he's doing with the White
- House and what with the presidency and
- it seems to me what you need is you know
- I was I've been thinking about because
- you know lawmakers always come up with
- clever names for bills you know is there
- a way we could come up with a scam act
- uh stop corruption and mischief act and
- limit the president to just what he's
- supposed to get paid in office i don't
- know i'm just I'm spitballing here
- Senator but it just seems to me this is
- nuts and and is it's almost whack-a-ole
- everywhere you look he's he's trying to
- scam the public that's exactly right and
- by the way I like that that idea for the
- title of a bill i I will I will put
- aster and give you credit for that um
- but you know the other thing is and your
- 7:01
- comment about Christine Gnome and the
- aircraft is is perfect uh in the sense
- that they're all trying to get in on the
- act now um everybody's trying to cash in
- we have this you the the the real
- secretary of
- state not Marco Rubio he's got a very
- limited profile but uh Witito is the
- real secretary of state his son is
- cashing in with the Trump sons right
- with a a uh stable coin another crypto
- venture that just got a $2 billion
- infusion from the Gulf and everybody's
- cashing in pam Bondi's cashing in
- christine Gnome wants to cash in and you
- know who we have largely to thank for
- this a guy named John Roberts who just
- happens to be chief justice of the
- Supreme Court who gave Donald Trump
- immunity you give a convicted felon like
- Donald Trump immunity and you make him
- 8:00
- president of the United States and he's
- going to act like a crook with immunity
- which is what he's doing and the people
- around him they know they're getting a
- pardon on the way out the door so
- they're acting just as crooked as he is
- he's absolutely emboldened in all of
- this and I I covered him during the
- first administration i think he's far
- more dangerous this time around there's
- there's no question about it you know
- that all too well Senator and I was
- having a conversation about some of this
- with Ruth Bengot yesterday while it is
- it is kind of funny to to laugh at some
- of this stuff because it's just so
- outlandish there is a danger to it in
- that as this this oligarchy that Trump
- seems to be surrounding himself with as
- they enrich themselves it almost seems
- as though the circle can get bigger and
- more people can get sucked in and pulled
- in and and enticed to to join in on on
- the on the corruption and that might
- make all of these characters a little
- bit more difficult to dislodge from
- power i mean as they accumulate this and
- amass this kind of wealth one has to
- 9:01
- think it makes them harder to beat at
- the ballot box i I I wonder what your
- thoughts are on that well I I certainly
- agree and I think probably the case in
- point is Elon Musk uh here's Elon Musk
- in addition to doing the Tesla showroom
- on the White House grounds because the
- stock in his company is has been in a
- nose dive i think even worse perhaps far
- worse is as Trump has imposed tariffs on
- these other countries they're coming to
- Trump to try to get out from under the
- tariffs but they're also coming to Elon
- and Elon is pitching them on his
- Starlink satellite system and they
- recognize because we see it in leaked
- cables they recognize that one way to
- ingratiate themselves with the
- administration is to buy Elon's product
- and so you know Elon has the most patent
- conflicts of interest uh and you know
- 10:00
- they fire the head of the Office of
- Government Ethics who would be policing
- this stuff but but you're right and then
- Elon takes the money he makes from the
- sales of these satellite systems and
- plows it into the Trump political
- operation after that Tesla showroom on
- the White House grounds he put another
- hundred million into the Trump political
- operation so if you're seeing ads I mean
- I'm seeing ads promoting Donald Trump
- he's not even running for anything yeah
- this is this is you know the
- oligarchs propping up this corrupt
- president whose numbers are sinking and
- they want to prop him up as long as they
- can because the gravy train is is
- running and they want to get that gravy
- yeah it's almost like a uh an SNL skit
- of a home shopping network except it's
- all of Trump's corrupt schemes and scams
- that he wants to pull over on the
- American people you mentioned the Chief
- Justice of the Supreme Court uh Senator
- I have to ask you about this very
- important case in front of the high
- court today about birthright citizenship
- it fits right in with all of these other
- 11:00
- you know sketchy unconstitutional things
- dangerous uh things that he's been
- trying to do with respect to migrants in
- this country wanted to get your thoughts
- on that and whether or not the notion of
- birthright citizenship could be in
- danger right now which I mean that opens
- up a huge Pandora's box in terms of what
- could be done to migrant families mixed
- status families these are the kinds of
- issues that I've been focusing in on on
- this program lot of people in your state
- in fear of this right now
- you know it's difficult to uh
- extrapolate sometimes from the justice's
- arguments and whether they're playing
- devil's advocate or whether they're
- really the devil
- Um but uh what I'm taking away from the
- the coverage I've seen so far is a
- recognition that birthright citizenship
- is very clear from the constitution the
- Trump administration is not going to win
- on the merits um and so they're shifting
- to a different objective in that case
- and the different objective is to try to
- 12:00
- strike down the use of nationwide
- injunctions
- and of course what that refers to is um
- when something unconstitutional like an
- attack on birthright citizenship takes
- place and you go to a court for relief
- um that court has the power to issue an
- injunction against deporting for example
- people born in the United States because
- they're citizens and have that
- injunction apply nationwide and what the
- Trump administration wants to do is they
- want to stop judges from being able to
- issue injunctions nationwide even though
- they were thrilled to do it when Biden
- was president right and uh but now court
- shopping that they would do and so on
- yeah oh exactly exactly so now they want
- to limit what has been a really
- important tool to protect the American
- people uh against these unconstitutional
- acts and it seems like a lot of the
- argument today by the uh Trump solicitor
- and a lot of the receptivity on the
- 13:01
- bench had less less to do with
- birthright and more to do with limiting
- this really important tool um if if they
- take that action which I wouldn't be
- surprised to see the conservative
- justices try to do it um try to carve
- out a win for Trump in some fashion that
- might please yeah exactly yeah that's
- that's worrisome and I I did wonder you
- know there's also a story in the New
- York Times today dhs has requested more
- than 20,000 National Guard members to
- help with the immigration crackdown of
- course we know that the National Guard
- has been used down on the border before
- for beefing up you know security along
- the border and so on uh but a Defense
- Department official said if the request
- were approved it would be the first time
- National Guard troops were used to help
- enforce the immigration crackdown in the
- United States and so I it kind of sort
- of ties in with what we were talking
- about earlier there are so many
- different things happening on this front
- it's hard to keep track of them all but
- to use the National Guard in this
- 14:00
- fashion would be unprecedented and I
- think would cause a lot of fear in a lot
- of communities if you're seeing armor
- armored carriers and people in you know
- their military fatigues conducting
- operations with ICE and so on i mean
- that that does not sound like America to
- me
- no and I I think there are additional
- problems as well and that is it's going
- to inevitably create a conflict between
- the president and the governors about
- how these guards are used uh it is going
- to cause the public to have a different
- perception of the National Guard and
- what their role and responsibilities are
- i think it will affect military
- readiness and cohesion uh if they're
- diverted to these other missions it'll
- mean that they're less mission capable
- in terms of the national security
- mission uh that they really designed for
- so lots of adverse
- impacts uh part of this I think is just
- 15:00
- the continuation of the Trump
- administration effort at shock and awe
- the muzzle velocity Steve Bannon was
- promoting uh they want to do more and
- more extreme things arrest judges call
- out the National Guard um send people to
- maximum security prisons outside the
- country uh violate court
- orders i still um takes my breath away
- that the Supreme Court of the United
- States this right-wing court
- um essentially orders the president to
- facilitate the return of someone who it
- was clear violation of the law to to
- deport a render the president is meeting
- with the president of El Salvador he
- could ask for the return he refuses to
- do so he acknowledges he could just pick
- up the phone he's openly contemptuous
- of both the Supreme Court and the lower
- court uh that is really unprecedented
- and for people who might be tempted to
- think well you know I'm not a suspected
- 16:01
- gang member why should I care about that
- um if they can grab anyone off the
- street and give them a label
- um or violate a court order and send you
- overseas or make the argument that as
- long as they send you
- overseas before the court can intervene
- there's nothing the courts can do then
- really no one is safe yeah that that is
- scary and and when you have Steven
- Miller going out in front of the White
- House and saying 'Well we might suspend
- habius corpus the ability to challenge
- unlawful detention in this country you
- know that that is also um a scary
- thought and you know taking away
- people's birthright citizenship uh using
- the National Guard in this fashion I
- mean it it really sounds like a
- militarized campaign of fear that
- they're trying to spread throughout the
- migrant communities in this country.'
- and and a lot of these folks just don't
- know what to do i mean Sonia Smayor at
- the Supreme Court today was talking
- about the possibility if you take away
- 17:00
- birthright citizenship of stateless kids
- i mean just it's it is it's astonishing
- what we've seen take place just in the
- last 100 days or so but to see Steven
- Miller have the gumption to say that out
- in front of the White House i can't
- imagine a Biden administration official
- going out in front of the White House
- and say 'We might get rid of habius
- corpus.' you know and what the reaction
- might might be to that over on Fox or on
- the Republican side of things it's
- astonishing i met with a group of young
- people today who are the children of
- visa holders so their parents came to
- the country many of them worked in the
- tech sector and they're so they're the
- children of people who came here legally
- they have been applying for citizenship
- but because the process takes so long
- they've turned 21 they've aged out of it
- so they've aged out of their legal
- status and so they they had status they
- came here lawfully and then through no
- fault of their own they've aged out of
- status wow and now they have to worry
- 18:00
- about being deport deported uh and in a
- prior administration you wouldn't have
- to worry that we would deport folks in
- that circumstance but they do have to
- worry about it uh just over the weekend
- I don't know if you saw this footage
- from Worcester Mass oh yes of someone
- being grabbed by these hooded DHS
- figures uh her daughter screaming i
- imagine that's your mother that's being
- grabbed off the street the the the
- horror and the heartbreak of it and it
- is of course designed to frighten people
- and the the astounding thing to me is
- just how quickly they've created this
- climate of fear not just in the
- immigrant community but at universities
- in law firms throughout society people
- worried that a social media post could
- cost them their job for a administration
- that once claimed it was against
- censorship we're seeing so much
- censorship now um and it's awful and and
- 19:02
- there's there's only one response to
- this and it is that we have to stick
- together and and push back and show
- courage
- when when Harvard stepped up against
- this administration it inspired other
- universities to do the same of course
- when law firms capitulated it inspired
- other law law firms to capitulate too uh
- so the best remedy here is is the
- contagion of courage yeah and and
- Senator I mean you you've stood up to
- Trump for years and I I I I'm sure it
- must be a big shock to you to see major
- institutions in this country the media
- law firms universities basically bend
- the knee and you know Donald Trump all
- too well i mean to me it is the exact
- wrong thing to do because it just it
- it's just like that Supreme Court
- immunity decision any opening he sees he
- will take it he will feel emboldened by
- those sorts of things and he he he prays
- on weakness any signs of weakness that's
- 20:01
- he he that's like showing red in front
- of a bull a red flag in front of a bull
- so true and you know very you know close
- to home for you I'm sure must be this
- case involving CBS
- where
- um Trump sues CBS over a 60 Minutes
- interview with Kla Harris a clearly
- frivolous case there is no way in the
- world if that case went to trial he
- would ever win that case exactly but of
- course CBS is part of Paramount
- paramount wants to merge with Sky Dance
- and Donald Trump can leverage that
- merger
- um to
- extract money from CBS
- and you just can't give into that you
- just can't give into that uh but we saw
- ABC capitulate and settle a similar and
- meritless lawsuit by Trump exactly and
- 21:00
- when and when those cases are settled
- that money doesn't go to the Treasury no
- that money goes into Donald Trump's
- pocket right into his pocket uh you know
- in the category of getting in on the
- scheme you've got Melania Trump is being
- paid $40 million by Amazon it's unreal
- for licensing a documentary about
- Melania Trump yeah and it I think it it
- makes the case for strong public media
- um in this country you know PBS and NPR
- uh they're one of the favorite punching
- bags of the right and you know they're
- going after it again i just wonder you
- know in this big beautiful bill that
- Trump's been talking about which
- Republicans appear to be blocking at as
- well not only because of the cost but
- because it's going to go after Medicaid
- and it sounds like when it comes to the
- Senate comes out of the Senate it's
- going to be a very different piece of
- legislation but if there's any way to
- protect public broadcasting it seems to
- mean it's now more than ever i think
- that's exactly right i met with some
- folks from NPR earlier today
- 22:02
- um who are deeply worried about the uh
- continuation of public
- broadcasting at a time when as you say
- it's just more important than ever um
- but
- because their reporting is objective
- their reporting is factbased because
- they're not willing to carry a party
- line by any party um they're a threat
- they're considered a threat to the
- administration and so they're a target
- um it's the same reason they're going
- after these universities they think
- these universities are a hot bed of
- ideas that they don't like and so they
- want to them by taking away
- their funding and in the
- process they're defunding the the the
- golden goose of innovation i mean this
- partnership between research
- universities and the federal government
- has brought about such dramatic advances
- in science and in medicine what they're
- doing is just such a boon to China and
- 23:01
- even Europe and its universities
- researchers are going overseas they're
- saying 'I forget about this i don't want
- to deal with this i'll go to France or
- Germany.' Yeah absolutely incredible
- just incredible well and I I want to say
- I really admire your courage as a
- journalist oh thank you Senator you put
- up with hell uh during the first
- administration and you stood tall
- there's never been a more challenging
- time I think to be a member of the press
- and so I have great respect for what you
- do what you did and uh hats off to you
- well I appreciate that and what you said
- earlier about not giving in that's been
- my message here is and uh you know we
- either stand up to the bully or we're
- all in a a bunch of trouble and to me
- it's all about not giving into the lies
- not giving into the fear so and I know
- that you've been doing that uh during
- your time in Congress and I I really
- appreciate the time you've given us a
- lot of time this afternoon hope we can
- do it again soon look forward to it it's
- great to see you again all right good to
- see you too hope that wasn't too
- 24:00
- excruciating i appreciate the time
- thanks a lot Senator all right good to
- see you
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