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CARNEY SO MUCH SMARTER THAN TRUMP!

Confirm News Now: Trump Begged Canada for Tariff Talks.
Here's How They Responded


Original article: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRj7fGvbeX0
Peter Burgess COMMENTARY

President Trump is a 'world class' bully ... but he is not very bright, and an incompetent strategist at high levels.

Worse ... he has a large number of pretty serious character flaws.

Trump has made a lot of money ... but his business practices are more 'bully' than 'brilliant'.

I see him as a 'world class 'con-man'. It bothers me that a man with such visible character flaws should be elected to anything ... and certainly not the Presidency of the United States.

The American electorate has failed ... up to now ... to take Trump down ... but I am reasonably confident that the international community might do what American voters have failed to do!

Over the past 80 years, the United States has had its way in international affairs. Bottom line, however, the US track level over this time has been pretty poor.

Since the end of WWII, the US trackrecord in 'foreign wars' has been abysmal with few favorable outcomes, one of which was the Korean War. Essentially, every other major engagement went against the United States after a huge commitment of human capital and financial treasure!

The US military is very big and very expensive. Worse ... it really is not very much 'fit for purpose'.

When I was working in management in the fishing sector ... we all knew that fish rot started with the head. The same applies in the military. Problems do not start with the lower ranks but with the 'big shots'!

I have had a good life based in the United States for more than 60 years. I am worried that the 'good times' are over and it will soon be 'pay-back time' for the American economy and society!

Peter Burgess
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Trump Begged Canada for Tariff Talks — Here's How They Responded

In a dramatic turn of events, former President Donald Trump reached out to Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney, seeking discussions on escalating tariff tensions. This video delves into the complexities of the U.S.-Canada trade relationship, highlighting Canada's assertive response to Trump's overtures.

From the imposition of 25% tariffs on Canadian steel and aluminum to Canada's reciprocal measures affecting $20 billion worth of U.S. goods, the trade war has intensified. Carney's invitation to King Charles to deliver Canada's throne speech underscores a bold assertion of sovereignty in the face of Trump's controversial remarks about Canada becoming the '51st state.'

We analyze the economic ramifications, political strategies, and the broader implications of this high-stakes negotiation. Stay informed on how these developments could reshape North American trade dynamics.

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Transcript
  • 0:00
  • our old relationship with the united
  • states a relationship based on steadily
  • increasing integration is over we are
  • over we are over the shock of the
  • american betrayal but we should never
  • forget the lessons they were both they
  • both hated trump and we uh he's going to
  • come to the white house very shortly
  • we'll have a partnership on our terms uh
  • there's a win-win possibility there but
  • on our terms not on their terms it
  • started with threats loud ones president
  • donald trump known for his no filter
  • approach turned his focus to america's
  • oldest and most peaceful neighbor canada
  • in a surprising and tense move trump's
  • administration rolled out aggressive
  • tariffs on canadian steel and aluminum
  • the reason a comment made by ontario
  • premier doug ford which trump's team
  • labeled insulting trump saw it as a
  • challenge and when trump feels
  • challenged he doesn't hold back but this
  • time it wasn't china or iran on the
  • receiving end it was canada a country
  • that has stood shoulder-to-shoulder with
  • america in wars trade and diplomacy yet

  • 1:01
  • here we were on the verge of a
  • full-blown trade war between best
  • friends and it all began with
  • electricity tariffs and a televised
  • threat let's break down how this
  • dramatic shift happened and how it
  • started to unravel just as fast as for
  • the tariffs the president made his
  • position on this quite clear with the
  • statement that he put out um and it was
  • a retaliatory statement due to the
  • escalation of rhetoric that we've seen
  • out of ontario canada uh the president
  • saw the premier doug ford make an
  • egregious and insulting comment
  • threatening to shut down electricity for
  • the american people for hardworking
  • american families uh he made that threat
  • the president saw that and has an
  • obligation and a responsibility um to
  • respond um accordingly uh and in and
  • represent the interests of the american
  • people so he has made the decision to
  • add a 25% tariff uh so now steel and
  • aluminum tariffs will come into effect
  • tomorrow at the rate of 50% and our
  • steel and aluminum industries have have
  • actually applauded these tariffs because

  • 2:01
  • again they know it's going to grow their
  • industry here it's going to allow them
  • to export more steel that is made right
  • here in the united states with american
  • workers trump's decision to hit canada
  • with heavy tariffs was his attempt to
  • show dominance he claimed he was
  • defending american jobs and factories
  • his spokeswoman caroline levit painted
  • premier doug ford's comments as a
  • national security threat using strong
  • words like egregious insulting and
  • responsibility to respond but let's
  • pause here was it really about
  • electricity or was it about power the
  • kind that comes from controlling the
  • narrative historically the us and canada
  • have shared electric grids pipelines and
  • industries in fact many us border states
  • depend on canadian electricity and
  • natural resources so when ontario's
  • premier made his comment likely out of
  • frustration trump's team didn't take it
  • as a political jab they treated it like
  • an act of aggression the white house
  • quickly escalated within hours new
  • tariffs were announced the steel and
  • aluminum industries in the us already

  • 3:01
  • boosted by previous trump era trade
  • moves applauded it looked on the surface
  • like a win but the problem canada wasn't
  • china this wasn't a country that would
  • sit quietly and more importantly
  • canadian industries hit back fast and
  • hard the president uh is again
  • responding to the fact that canada has
  • been ripping off the united states of
  • america and hardworking americans for
  • decades if you look at the rates of
  • tariffs across the board that canadians
  • have been imposing on the american
  • people and our workers here it is
  • egregious in fact i have a handy dandy
  • chart here uh that shows not just canada
  • uh but the rate of tariffs across the
  • board if you look at canada since you
  • brought it up american cheese and butter
  • nearly 300% tariff look at japan
  • tariffing rice 700% president trump
  • believes in reciprocity and it is about
  • dang time that we have a president who
  • actually looks out for the interests of
  • american businesses and workers and all
  • he's asking for at the end of the day
  • are fair and balanced trade practices

  • 4:00
  • and unfortunately canada has not been
  • treating uh us uh very fairly at all
  • over the past several decades leave it
  • brought out a handy dandy chart to show
  • how other countries including canada put
  • high tariffs on american goods she
  • claimed us farmers and businesses had
  • been taken advantage of for decades
  • cheese butter bourbon even rice all
  • mentioned as examples of unfair trade
  • but what was missing in this press
  • conference was context yes canada does
  • have high tariffs on some us dairy
  • products but that's because canada uses
  • a supply management system to protect
  • its local farmers just like the us does
  • with corn and soybeans through subsidies
  • trade isn't always about numbers on a
  • chart it's about relationships
  • compromises and trust more importantly
  • these dairy tariffs were nothing new
  • they had existed for years and were
  • wellknown during nafta negotiations
  • using them now as a reason for a massive
  • tariff war felt more like political
  • theater than real policy what's more
  • this move risked hurting not just canada

  • 5:01
  • but america's own manufacturers who
  • imported canadian aluminum and steel for
  • cheap prices american car makers
  • builders and appliance manufacturers
  • warned that costs would rise and when
  • production costs rise jobs suffer the
  • very thing trump claimed to protect in
  • trying to punish canada the
  • administration created panic on both
  • sides of the border stock markets dipped
  • supply chains wobbled and canadian
  • leaders responded not with fear but with
  • defiance in just a few days the
  • long-standing trust between canada and
  • the us was in crisis trump's tariffs
  • meant to scare canada into submission
  • instead woke up a sleeping lion canada
  • wasn't just angry it was ready to fight
  • back what trump didn't expect was how
  • unified canadians would become after his
  • threats and what happened next canada's
  • emotional bold and clear message to
  • america flipped the script completely
  • when canada responded it wasn't with
  • more tariffs it wasn't with fake smiles
  • or empty statements it was with a

  • 6:00
  • powerful speech that echoed across the
  • globe the canadian prime minister didn't
  • hold back he stood before cameras and
  • said 'what many thought but never
  • expected to hear out loud that the
  • united states under trump was no longer
  • a trusted friend it wasn't just about
  • trade anymore it was about dignity
  • independence and national pride the
  • country that once stood by the us in
  • every war and global crisis was now
  • warning its citizens america is trying
  • to break us as i've been warning for
  • months america wants our land our
  • resources our water our country never
  • but these are not these are not idol
  • threats president trump is trying to
  • break us so that america can own us that
  • will never that will never ever happen
  • we are once again at one of those hinge
  • moments of history our old relationship
  • with the united states a relationship
  • based on steadily increasing integration
  • is over the system of open global trade
  • anchored by the united states a system
  • that canada has relied on since the

  • 7:01
  • second world war a system that while not
  • perfect has helped deliver prosperity
  • for a country for decades is over these
  • are tragedies but it's also our new
  • reality we are over we are over the
  • shock of the american betrayal but we
  • should never forget the lessons we have
  • to look out for ourselves and above all
  • we have to take care of each other
  • and my message to every canadian is this
  • no matter where you live no matter what
  • language you speak no matter how you
  • voted i will always do my best to
  • represent everyone who calls canada
  • these were not just diplomatic
  • statements they were a declaration for
  • canada to say america wants our country
  • was a line few ever thought they would
  • hear but that's how serious things had
  • become trump's actions didn't just
  • trigger a trade fight they triggered a
  • shift in mindset canada once deeply
  • connected to the us in business culture
  • and defense was now publicly breaking
  • away the prime minister's speech made it

  • 8:00
  • clear the age of automatic friendship
  • with the us was over he called it a
  • hinge moment of history in simple terms
  • he meant this was a turning point the
  • end of one chapter and the beginning of
  • something completely new for over 70
  • years canada had benefited from a close
  • relationship with the united states from
  • world war ii until now open trade helped
  • both economies grow canada sent oil
  • electricity and raw materials south the
  • us sent cars machines and dollars north
  • but trump changed the rules instead of
  • cooperation he used threats instead of
  • negotiation he used power plays and that
  • strategy may work with weaker nations
  • but not with canada canada didn't
  • threaten back with force they didn't
  • return insult for insult they simply
  • said 'we're done being taken for
  • granted.' this speech didn't just speak
  • to canadians it spoke to every american
  • 8:50
  • ally who has ever wondered 'can we still
  • trust the united states?' when i sit
  • down with president trump it will be to
  • discuss the future economic and security
  • relationship between two sovereign

  • 9:02
  • nations
  • and it will be with our full full
  • knowledge that we have many many other
  • options than the united states to build
  • prosperity for all canadians this
  • statement was even more important than
  • it first sounds when the prime minister
  • said two sovereign nations he wasn't
  • just describing geography he was
  • reminding trump we are equals in
  • diplomacy language is everything and in
  • i this case canada was making it crystal
  • clear it will no longer act like a
  • junior partner or silent supporter the
  • time of blind loyalty was gone canada's
  • reference to many many other options was
  • not a bluff it was real the european
  • union has been strengthening ties with
  • canada since 2016 through the ceda
  • agreement the uk postrexit is also eager
  • for trade partners like canada and japan
  • south korea and australia have all been
  • friendly economic allies canada is not
  • isolated it is a member of the g7 nato

  • 10:01
  • and dozens of trade blocks in fact it
  • has free trade agreements with more
  • countries than the us does so when trump
  • assumed canada had no choice but to
  • accept his deal he miscalculated badly
  • even more critical canada supplies much
  • of what the us needs to function from
  • natural gas and oil to lumber
  • fertilizers and electricity the us is
  • heavily dependent on canadian resources
  • in 2023 alone canada was the largest
  • supplier of energy to the us this
  • includes over 90% of hydroelectric
  • imports and 70% of fertilizer so the
  • threat from ontario's premier wasn't
  • just emotional it was practical cutting
  • off electricity wasn't just political
  • theater it was a warning that canada
  • could if pushed too far use its own
  • leverage what we saw here was the first
  • real sign that trump's tactics had
  • consequences not just with enemies but
  • with friends and once a friendship is
  • broken especially one that has lasted
  • for generations it's not easy to repair

  • 11:00
  • canada's stance reminded the world that
  • respect matters and no amount of bluster
  • can replace real diplomacy trump may
  • have thought he was playing hard ball
  • but in canada's response he met
  • something stronger than fear he met
  • unity and just when the trade war seemed
  • to be heading for a cold freeze
  • something unexpected happened the man
  • who threatened canada just weeks earlier
  • picked up the phone and asked to make a
  • deal the man who once slammed canada
  • with tariffs accused it of betrayal and
  • supported threats of grave consequences
  • suddenly changed his tune just days
  • after canada's fierce response trump did
  • something that caught everyone off guard
  • he called the canadian prime minister
  • not to argue not to demand but to talk
  • about a deal this wasn't the trump
  • people saw during rallies shouting about
  • american dominance and revenge this was
  • a softer more diplomatic version it was
  • clear something had shifted the pressure
  • from global markets from american
  • farmers and even republican lawmakers
  • was growing trump realized that pushing

  • 12:00
  • canada too far could backfire not only
  • diplomatically but politically i think
  • we're going to have a great relationship
  • he called me up yesterday he said 'let's
  • make a deal.' you know he was running
  • for office they were both they both
  • hated trump and it was the one that
  • hated trump i think the least of that
  • one but no i spoke to him yesterday
  • couldn't have been nicer and i
  • congratulated him you know they it was a
  • very mixed uh signal because it's almost
  • even which makes it very complicated for
  • the country it's a pretty tight race but
  • he's a very nice gentleman and we uh
  • he's going to come to the white house
  • very shortly it's important to
  • understand trump's strategy here he
  • doesn't like to admit defeat so instead
  • of saying he wanted a deal he told the
  • media that the canadian pm called him
  • that way trump saves face it looks like
  • he's still in control but the truth is
  • likely more complicated just a few days
  • earlier the canadian prime minister had
  • made it crystal clear canada would not
  • bend not now not ever his words 'we are
  • done being taken for granted,' weren't

  • 13:00
  • just for canadians they were aimed
  • straight at washington trump knew he was
  • in a corner us manufacturers were
  • complaining farmers were losing
  • contracts states that depended on
  • canadian electricity and fertilizer were
  • growing nervous the stock market didn't
  • like instability either trump's base may
  • enjoy tough talk but big business hates
  • unpredictability especially with close
  • allies like canada so instead of risking
  • a full economic fallout trump picked up
  • the phone in public he spun the story to
  • make it seem like everything was going
  • well but behind the scenes this was a
  • major shift in posture what started as
  • america first now looked more like let's
  • figure this out before it gets worse
  • we're we're two sovereign nations uh
  • there is a partnership to be had an
  • economic and security partnership to be
  • had it's going to be a very different
  • one than we've had in the past uh but
  • also we've got lots of other things to
  • do uh we can build out our economy here
  • at home we can we are in the process of
  • building our relationships more deeply
  • in europe uh elsewhere around the world

  • 14:00
  • so uh we'll have a partnership on our
  • terms uh there's a win-win possibility
  • there but on our terms not on their
  • terms this response is critical canada
  • didn't return to the table begging for
  • peace they came with strength they made
  • it clear if there's going to be a deal
  • it must be equal by using words like
  • sovereign nations and on our terms the
  • prime minister was sending a message
  • canada isn't desperate in fact he even
  • joked about not needing to visit
  • washington anytime soon i've been to the
  • white house i've seen the monuments i'm
  • not going as a tourist it depends i i'
  • i've been to washington i've been to the
  • white house i've seen it i've seen all
  • the monuments i've been to florida even
  • um so i'm not going as a tourist uh go
  • when there's a serious uh discussion to
  • be had this wasn't disrespect it was
  • pride it showed that canada was no
  • longer looking to the us as a big
  • brother they were ready to stand beside
  • not behind their southern neighbor
  • trump's attempt to show strength had
  • unintentionally helped canada grow its
  • international image now the world was

  • 15:00
  • watching a smaller nation standing tall
  • and pushing back not with rage but with
  • calm calculated diplomacy and that
  • changed the game the pressure behind
  • trump's shift why did trump flip his
  • position so quickly here are three major
  • reasons number one economic blowback
  • tariffs hurt both sides us companies
  • were paying more for canadian steel and
  • aluminum american businesses that rely
  • on crossber supply chains were facing
  • delays and rising costs this wasn't
  • sustainable number two political heat
  • several us governors especially those in
  • border states warned the white house
  • that hurting canada would hurt their
  • voters with elections coming trump
  • couldn't afford to lose swing states
  • like michigan wisconsin or pennsylvania
  • number three global reputation america
  • was already in trade fights with china
  • and the eu adding canada to that list
  • made the us look unstable allies started
  • questioning if america could be trusted
  • at all trump's team likely realized they
  • had to patch things up and fast and
  • canada's next move would prove that they

  • 16:01
  • weren't just reacting they were already
  • moving forward with new partners new
  • strategies and a clear vision of a
  • future that didn't depend on the united
  • states canada didn't wait for the dust
  • to settle as trump played games with
  • tariffs and tried to control the
  • narrative canada quietly began building
  • something stronger a new global trade
  • strategy that didn't depend on american
  • approval while the us was caught in
  • battles with china the eu and even
  • mexico canada took a smarter route
  • diversify expand and never rely on one
  • partner again trump's unpredictability
  • became a wake-up call for canada what
  • once felt like a secure lifelong
  • friendship suddenly looked fragile if
  • the us could turn on canada this easily
  • what was stopping it from doing so again
  • so canada began turning to other parts
  • of the world and the response was more
  • than positive what about the uk what
  • about the uk what about the uk i mean
  • there was there was something a shout
  • out the other day in saskatoon there was
  • there was something on the table there

  • 17:00
  • was there was an issue around cheese do
  • you think you can do a canada uk free
  • trade agreement surely it's low hanging
  • fruit one would think one would think
  • look i mean it's one of these situations
  • where i forget the exact figure but it's
  • 95 97% of our trade is effectively
  • tariff-free uh between canada united
  • kingdom although that's slightly more
  • narrow way of looking at it because we
  • could expand the level of uh integration
  • between our countries like-minded
  • countries um uh you think about defense
  • partnerships and those conversations
  • have just uh just begun so there's a lot
  • that we can do and of course it's in our
  • interest to diversify we're definitely
  • going to do that we have many options
  • the uk is one uh i would suggest it's
  • also in the uk's interest to diversify
  • it's that process of postrexit
  • diversification hasn't maybe moved as
  • fast as some have expected this
  • statement came with quiet strength the
  • prime minister didn't rage about trump
  • he didn't threaten or beg he calmly
  • explained what canada was already doing
  • moving on europe had long been a natural
  • partner in 2016 canada signed the

  • 18:00
  • comprehensive economic and trade
  • agreement ceda with the european union
  • one of the most progressive trade deals
  • in the world it gave canadian businesses
  • access to over 500 million consumers now
  • with trump's america becoming unreliable
  • canada saw europe as not just an option
  • but a priority then came the uk after
  • brexit the uk needed new deals and
  • canada was a perfect fit both countries
  • shared language culture values and
  • economic strengths the prime minister
  • called a canada uk deal lowhanging fruit
  • meaning easy to reach and he wasn't
  • wrong over 95% of trade between the two
  • countries was already tariff-free under
  • temporary agreements a full deal would
  • only deepen that canada wasn't
  • retreating it was expanding remembering
  • that we are the biggest client for more
  • than 40 states uh remember that we
  • supply them with vital energy both
  • conventional energy and potentially
  • could supply them with critical minerals
  • remember that we supply their farmers
  • with basically all their fertilizer 70%
  • of their fertilizer and beyond uh so you

  • 19:02
  • know uh we we deserve respect we expect
  • respect by sticking to values like
  • respect partnership and global fairness
  • canada began showing the world a
  • different kind of strength one not based
  • on force or threats but on principles
  • and strategy the message to trump 'we're
  • not waiting.' what made all of this even
  • more powerful was that canada never once
  • said 'please.' they didn't beg for the
  • us to come back to the table they didn't
  • try to flatter trump or soften their
  • words they simply kept building deal by
  • deal relationship by relationship and
  • while trump was busy fighting multiple
  • trade wars canada was planting seeds
  • across europe asia and the commonwealth
  • this wasn't isolation it was
  • independence and the longer trump
  • delayed a respectful deal the more
  • canada proved it didn't need one trump
  • may have seen the world as a marketplace
  • he could dominate but canada saw it as a
  • network where strength comes not from
  • bullying but from balance and while the
  • us remained distracted canada's global

  • 20:01
  • pivot was already gaining momentum from
  • london to berlin to tokyo leaders began
  • noticing something important canada
  • wasn't just reacting to trump it was
  • rising because of him what began as a
  • trade dispute soon became something far
  • bigger a global lesson in diplomacy
  • leadership and respect trump's loud
  • threats and canada's calm resistance
  • became a study in contrasts one side
  • used intimidation and headlines the
  • other used strategy and patience one
  • side shouted about dominance the other
  • calmly pointed to facts allies and
  • principles and in the end it was clear
  • canada didn't just survive the pressure
  • it rose above it but what does this
  • story really teach us what can leaders
  • citizens and nations learn from this
  • highstakes standoff let's break it down
  • what the president envisions for this
  • country is for the united states of
  • america to be a manufacturing superpower
  • uh where there are american factories
  • and businesses owned by americans
  • producing goods that we are exporting to

  • 21:00
  • the rest of the world those revenues
  • will stay here it will increase wages
  • for people here in our great country it
  • will ensure our national security and it
  • will boost the morale of the american
  • people to have thriving industries again
  • think about detroit michigan um think
  • about north carolina as i mentioned that
  • used to have a thriving furniture
  • industry that no longer exists because
  • of the globalist trade policies of
  • previous and past administrations and
  • the american people gave the president
  • an a tremendous opportunity to restore
  • american greatness on paper trump's goal
  • doesn't sound bad who wouldn't want more
  • factories better jobs and stronger wages
  • in america everyone wants their country
  • to grow but the problem wasn't the dream
  • it was the way he tried to reach it
  • trump's method was simple punish anyone
  • who didn't follow his rules tariffs
  • threats and media pressure were his
  • tools that might work in a business deal
  • but in international politics it's a
  • dangerous game he treated allies like
  • enemies instead of building bridges he
  • burned them and in doing so he pushed

  • 22:01
  • countries like canada to rethink their
  • entire relationship with the united
  • states canada's message was clear we
  • won't be bullied even by a superpower
  • this is where trump misunderstood the
  • world the cost of disrespect in global
  • politics trump's approach damaged more
  • than just trade it hurt america's global
  • image allies across europe asia and the
  • americas watched closely if this could
  • happen to canada one of america's
  • closest partners it could happen to
  • anyone suddenly countries started
  • talking more seriously about
  • alternatives currencies trade routes
  • security packs all began shifting slowly
  • away from total us control canada was
  • just the first to say it out loud we're
  • not afraid and we have other options
  • this should have been a wake-up call for
  • washington respect and cooperation are
  • not signs of weakness they're the
  • foundation of global leadership when a
  • powerful nation leads with fear instead
  • of fairness the world doesn't fall in
  • line it pulls away canada's quiet
  • strength became a global model what
  • makes canada's response so powerful is

  • 23:00
  • not just what it said but how it said it
  • no threats no name calling no dramatic
  • retaliation instead canada calmly listed
  • its economic strengths named its
  • international allies and reminded the
  • world that true sovereignty includes the
  • right to choose your own path this was
  • more than a defense strategy it became a
  • model for modern diplomacy in a time
  • when many nations feel squeezed between
  • major powers canada showed that dignity
  • facts and patience can win battles too
  • trump's dealmaking exposed trump often
  • called himself the world's greatest
  • dealmaker but what this situation
  • revealed was something different he was
  • good at headlines good at pressure but
  • when it came to long-term partnerships
  • especially with strong proud allies his
  • approach often fell apart in this case
  • his plan backfired he tried to isolate
  • canada canada became more connected than
  • ever he tried to force canada to follow
  • his terms canada made it clear they have
  • their own terms he hoped canada would

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  • bend but canada stood taller in the end
  • it was trump who reached out for a deal
  • and it was canada who chose whether or
  • not to take it


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