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COMMENTARY
JEFFREY SACHS ON GLOBAL DYSFUNCTION
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Peter Burgess
Jeffrey Sachs: The US is leading us closer to nuclear war | The InnerView TRT World 8.82M subscribers ... 284,300 views ... 10K likes TRT is a Turkish public broadcast service. Wikipedia Jan 13, 2025 World-renowned economist Jeffrey Sachs tells Imran Garda he doesn’t trust the US — its intentions, foreign policy, or direction — no matter the administration. He says that the United States is steering the world toward disaster. As he castigates America, the Columbia University professor denies that this has made him an apologist for countries like China and Russia. Rather than Israel being an extension of US policy in the region, Sachs provocatively declares that Benjamin Netanyahu is steering American policy with Israel’s wars in Gaza, Lebanon and even had a hand in earlier wars such as Iraq. He also argues that western countries, led by the US, and not Vladimir Putin, are ultimately to blame for starting Russia’s war in Ukraine. An advisor to UN Secretaries General and governments around the world, Sachs gives us some personal insights into his own experience of what he says was a CIA orchestrated coup in Haiti, and how he decodes the intentions of those he is certain are taking us ever closer to global nuclear catastrophe.
  • 00:00 Meet Jeffrey David Sachs
  • 01:00 The Doomsday Clock
  • 03:20 Annie Jacobsen’s book Nuclear War: A Scenario
  • 05:06 “I don’t trust US policies”
  • 06:30 Who was the biggest gangster of the 20th century?
  • 09:58 How many naval bases does China have?
  • 10:16 The US’ covert regime changes
  • 12:06 CIA orchestrated Haiti’s 2004 coup
  • 14:02 The US intervention in Ukraine’s affairs
  • 16:41 “The US is an extension of Netanyahu’s policy”
  • 17:20 Discussing Netanyahu’s ideas from his book Fighting Terrorism
  • 19:15 Two schools of thought in Israel
  • 19:59 Netanyahu’s war on terror: Seven wars in five years
  • 22:22 Two-state solution
  • 22:44 An apologist for China and Russia?
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  • Meet Jeffrey David Sachs
    •
  • 0:00
  • Jeffrey saaks is a well-renowned
  • economist and a professor at Colombia
  • University he's been crucial in shaping
  • the sustainable development goals the
  • Millennium development goals and has
  • been an adviser to un secretaries
  • General and heads of state around the
  • world if you checked social media
  • recently you'd see he's been quite
  • passionate maybe a little angry at the
  • West particularly the United States so
  • he says edging us closer to nuclear
  • catastrophe but does that mean he's also
  • become an apologist for autocrats and
  • dictators up next on the interview I'll
  • ask Jeffrey saaks all of that and
  • [Music]
  • more Professor Jeffrey saaks thanks for
  • joining us on the interview great to be
  • with you thank you good to be here in

  • The Doomsday Clock
  • 1:00
  • your apartment on the upper west side
  • 1:01
  • it's lovely I've been uh produsing your
  • 1:04
  • your books on your bookshelf I noticed
  • 1:07
  • quite a few on nuclear war I see Annie
  • 1:09
  • Jacobson's there over over your shoulder
  • 1:11
  • nuclear war a couple of others tell me
  • 1:13
  • why it's so urgent for you when it
  • 1:16
  • doesn't seem to be urgent for others
  • 1:18
  • particularly those in power let me start
  • 1:21
  • with something called the Doomsday Clock
  • 1:24
  • the Doomsday Clock is what the bulletin
  • 1:27
  • of atomic scientists started putting out
  • 1:30
  • in 1947 at the start of the atomic age
  • 1:33
  • now of course we're in the
  • 1:35
  • thermonuclear era but they said we're
  • 1:38
  • close to disaster we could destroy all
  • 1:41
  • of humanity we could blow up the world
  • 1:44
  • and they put forward a clock as a
  • 1:46
  • graphic how close or how far are we from
  • 1:50
  • nuclear disaster when the Doomsday Clock
  • 1:53
  • was first unveiled in
  • 1:55
  • 1947 the bulletin of atomic scientists
  • 1:58
  • these experts in the IC age put the

  • 2:02
  • minute hand at 7 minutes away from
  • 2:04
  • Midnight oh my God midnight being
  • 2:07
  • nuclear armagedon 7 minutes they were
  • 2:09
  • telling us a message that we're in the
  • 2:12
  • Cold War we have the beginnings of a a
  • 2:16
  • nuclear arms race because Russia was
  • 2:18
  • about to get the bomb too and then there
  • 2:20
  • was going to be a huge uh arms race and
  • 2:23
  • then came the hbomb so-called and so
  • 2:26
  • forth now what has happened in the last
  • 2:31
  • uh 30 years basically uh we went farther
  • 2:36
  • away during periods of day hant we went
  • 2:39
  • closer during periods of Crisis but
  • 2:42
  • since
  • 2:44
  • 1992 every US president in my view uh
  • 2:48
  • and according to the clock has been in
  • 2:51
  • an Administration where by the end of
  • 2:54
  • the term the minute hand or the second
  • 2:57
  • hand is closer to nuclear Armageddon

  • 3:00
  • than it was when the president came into
  • 3:02
  • office where are we today according to
  • 3:05
  • the Doomsday Clock 90 seconds from
  • 3:09
  • Midnight this means according to this
  • 3:12
  • expert view with which I concur we are
  • 3:15
  • closer to nuclear war than we have ever
  • 3:17
  • been in human history you mentioned
  • Annie Jacobsen’s book Nuclear War: A Scenario
  • 3:20
  • Annie Jacobson's book nuclear war a
  • 3:24
  • scenario this is a short book uh about a
  • 3:27
  • short war it takes about 2 hours for the
  • 3:31
  • world to end in this technical scenario
  • 3:34
  • that this superb reporter lays out
  • 3:38
  • meticulously second by second She
  • 3:41
  • interviewed all the atomic scientists
  • 3:43
  • that she would talk on the Record She
  • 3:45
  • interviewed former Pentagon officials
  • 3:48
  • former CIA officials and so forth what
  • 3:51
  • are the plans what are the plans for
  • 3:52
  • fighting a nuclear war what is known
  • 3:55
  • what could happen and in her terrifying
  • 3:59
  • book and by the way I listen to it as an

  • 4:01
  • audio book uh with her narrating it oh
  • 4:06
  • in this meticulous clip language the
  • 4:09
  • world comes to an end in two hours in
  • 4:12
  • and this is this is the realistic
  • 4:15
  • scenario as understood by us leaders now
  • 4:19
  • I've been around for some decades I've
  • 4:22
  • advised dozens and dozens of heads of
  • 4:24
  • state and secretaries general of the UN
  • 4:27
  • and I know a lot of these people some
  • 4:30
  • have been my students I'm not
  • 4:32
  • overwhelmed at at uh their intelligence
  • 4:36
  • and their Prudence at their ability to
  • 4:39
  • keep us away from disaster in fact to a
  • 4:42
  • significant extent I am not only
  • 4:45
  • underwhelmed uh I watch US foreign
  • 4:48
  • policy very closeup I watch it not only
  • 4:51
  • from the perspective of an expert in the
  • 4:55
  • United States but from my uh paragr

  • 5:00
  • around the world which are non-stop
  • 5:01
  • because my job is around the world and I
  • 5:05
  • don't trust the United States at all I
  • “I don’t trust US policies”
  • 5:08
  • don't trust the Judgment I don't trust
  • 5:11
  • how they act I don't trust US policies
  • 5:13
  • and I think they are bringing us more
  • 5:16
  • and more to disaster why why because
  • 5:20
  • there's a certain arrogance and uh I
  • 5:24
  • learned about this as a kid when Jay
  • 5:27
  • William Fulbright who was a great
  • 5:30
  • senator of the United States and
  • 5:32
  • chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations
  • 5:34
  • Committee in the 1960s during the
  • 5:37
  • Vietnam war stupidity and debacle of the
  • 5:40
  • United States wrote a book called The
  • 5:43
  • arrogance of power and I remember
  • 5:45
  • holding it to this moment as as a kid
  • 5:48
  • and he said our government the US he was
  • 5:51
  • the chair of the Senate Foreign
  • 5:53
  • Relations Committee are so arrogant that
  • 5:56
  • they're creating Wars and that they're
  • 5:58
  • creating bigger and bigger risks well I

  • 6:02
  • I guess I absorbed that message that was
  • 6:05
  • more than 50 years ago by the way uh
  • 6:08
  • basically UH 60 years ago uh just now
  • 6:13
  • and I've watched closely and I have
  • 6:15
  • studied these issues I'd say pretty
  • 6:18
  • meticulously uh I've read and spoken and
  • 6:23
  • discussed with people with heads of
  • 6:25
  • state I don't trust the United States
  • 6:28
  • that's the basic point but if we say
  • Who was the biggest gangster of the 20th century?
  • 6:30
  • that the United States if we go with a
  • 6:32
  • say a gangster
  • 6:34
  • analogy as the superpower with all this
  • 6:38
  • Imperial huis yes they are responsible
  • 6:40
  • for a lot of crimes a lot of Downstream
  • 6:43
  • effects they have been for for decades I
  • 6:45
  • hope they don't revoke my Visa what I'm
  • 6:47
  • saying I don't know about your Visa what
  • 6:49
  • about me but but what about the other
  • 6:52
  • gangsters because they are other
  • 6:53
  • gangsters they might be smaller
  • 6:55
  • gangsters maybe they have fewer crimes
  • 6:58
  • because of lack of opportunity rather

  • 7:00
  • than because of a greater morality than
  • 7:02
  • the United States
  • 7:03
  • perhaps when you focus on the crimes of
  • 7:06
  • the superpower and you've been accused
  • 7:08
  • of this does it make you an apologist
  • 7:10
  • for the Chinese an apologist for the
  • 7:11
  • Russians tell me tell me why we
  • 7:14
  • shouldn't also focus on their very well
  • 7:18
  • documented crimes and the effects of
  • 7:20
  • those as well first if if we look at
  • 7:23
  • things
  • 7:24
  • quantitatively uh the biggest gangster
  • 7:26
  • of the 19th century was Britain by
  • 7:30
  • and they just loved their empire and
  • 7:32
  • they commanded around 25% of the world's
  • 7:36
  • territory at the height of the British
  • 7:38
  • Empire and there is a a
  • 7:42
  • well-known SE semi humorous but quite
  • 7:45
  • serious book uh documenting uh the 23
  • 7:51
  • countries that Britain never invaded
  • 7:53
  • meaning that Britain invaded the whole
  • 7:55
  • world Britain made provocations Britain
  • 7:58
  • made Wars

  • 8:00
  • everywhere I feel the United States
  • 8:03
  • learned you know sitting on Britain's
  • 8:06
  • knee everything we know about Empire we
  • 8:08
  • learned from from Britain and uh there
  • 8:11
  • was almost a Handover of the Baton from
  • 8:14
  • Britain to the United States from
  • 8:16
  • Churchill basically to Truman I would
  • 8:19
  • say uh at the end of World War II and
  • 8:22
  • the uh
  • 8:24
  • megalomania took a big jump in the
  • 8:27
  • United States uh Dean AES uh one of our
  • 8:31
  • top diplomats wrote uh uh his Memoirs
  • 8:34
  • called present at the creation okay well
  • 8:37
  • it's a little bit of the mindset the
  • 8:40
  • creation this was of course what it
  • 8:43
  • meant was the beginning of the American
  • 8:45
  • Le world quantitatively the US
  • 8:49
  • absolutely is different and absolutely
  • 8:52
  • has a foreign policy that is different
  • 8:54
  • from all other countries what other
  • 8:58
  • country has

  • 9:00
  • 750 overseas military bases well why did
  • 9:04
  • they put their countries next to the US
  • 9:05
  • bases that's exactly right you know you
  • 9:08
  • look at that map of uh
  • 9:10
  • China surrounded by the US military
  • 9:13
  • bases with that question coming out of
  • 9:16
  • out of out of the map uh the military
  • 9:20
  • bases are everywhere uh that's
  • 9:24
  • distinctive the country number two by
  • 9:26
  • the way of most military bases to this
  • 9:29
  • day
  • 9:29
  • it's not China or Russia these big
  • 9:33
  • populous countries it's Britain because
  • 9:35
  • it's the Legacy Britain still owns owns
  • 9:39
  • still still runs all these uh islands
  • 9:42
  • where they have Naval bases and uh and
  • 9:46
  • so forth the listening systems and so
  • 9:48
  • forth around the world of course it's
  • 9:50
  • not a great power anymore but it still
  • 9:54
  • has more than a 100 overseas military
  • 9:57
  • bases how many overseas military bases
  • How many naval bases does China have?

  • 10:01
  • does China have it's debated there's one
  • 10:05
  • for sure uh in jibou a kind of a naval
  • 10:09
  • repair base it's argued that maybe there
  • 10:12
  • are two or three or four possibly the US
  • The US’ covert regime changes
  • 10:17
  • 750 so this is quantitatively something
  • 10:20
  • different then the US exercises its
  • 10:24
  • power in a unique way covert regime
  • 10:28
  • change covert regime changed basically
  • 10:31
  • CIA operations the CIA was created in
  • 10:35
  • 1947 there's an excellent book by a a
  • 10:39
  • scholar named Lindsay oor at Boston
  • 10:42
  • College uh 2017 she's a student of our
  • 10:45
  • great uh political scientist John mimer
  • 10:49
  • and she counts
  • 10:51
  • 64 covert regime change operations
  • 10:55
  • between
  • 10:56
  • 1947 and uh 1989 she stops at the end of

  • 11:01
  • the well the purported end of the Cold
  • 11:03
  • War we now know it never ended but she
  • 11:05
  • stops in 1989 because she says I can get
  • 11:08
  • the documentary record till then I
  • 11:10
  • happen to know firsthand many others and
  • 11:13
  • we we know of many others since then
  • 11:15
  • what other country does that at this
  • 11:18
  • scale it's unbelievable can't two things
  • 11:21
  • be true at the same time so we can say
  • 11:23
  • that the CIA helped overthrow the Sha
  • 11:25
  • for example in Iran but that doesn't
  • 11:27
  • mean but by the way one thing that's
  • 11:28
  • interesting if just say about it these
  • 11:31
  • are covert regime change operations
  • 11:34
  • little weird of course the regime change
  • 11:37
  • is obvious of course the moment it
  • 11:39
  • happens everyone says the United States
  • 11:41
  • so what's covert about it what's covert
  • 11:44
  • about it is the United States said no we
  • 11:46
  • didn't do it yeah no responsibility we
  • 11:48
  • didn't do it and then everyone looks
  • 11:49
  • around say well we we pretty sure you
  • 11:52
  • did it but but we can't say you did it
  • 11:55
  • uh we can't prove you did it or even if
  • 11:57
  • you can prove you did it we better not
  • 11:59
  • say you did it so there's nothing really

  • 12:01
  • covert about it sometimes it's so
  • 12:04
  • absurd it's so tragic I'll give you an
  • CIA orchestrated Haiti’s 2004 coup
  • 12:06
  • example there was a president of Haiti
  • 12:10
  • uh that I liked arist uh he said to me
  • 12:15
  • in
  • 12:17
  • 2001 uh as I was in his office in Port
  • 12:20
  • of Prince Haiti Jeff they're going to
  • 12:23
  • get me I'm always a little naive so I
  • 12:26
  • said no Mr President they're not going
  • 12:28
  • to get you and I'm going to help you and
  • 12:31
  • uh we're going to everything's going to
  • 12:32
  • be fine and then in 2002 2003 you watch
  • 12:38
  • the Bush Administration no IMF loans for
  • 12:41
  • Haiti no world bank loans for Haiti turn
  • 12:43
  • off the interamerican Development Bank
  • 12:45
  • this is the way you start tightening add
  • 12:48
  • sanctions squeeze the finances then the
  • 12:53
  • econom is cratering but he stays in
  • 12:55
  • power he's got a strong base political
  • 12:58
  • base one day literally the US ambassador

  • 13:02
  • walks to his house and says I need to
  • 13:06
  • save your life because otherwise your
  • 13:09
  • life is at risk there's a you know an
  • 13:11
  • Insurrection underway so come with me
  • 13:14
  • and they guide him to an unmarked plane
  • 13:17
  • no tail markings and they put him in the
  • 13:20
  • plane and 23 hours later he's in the
  • 13:23
  • Central African Republic okay ah so uh
  • 13:29
  • there's coup in broad daylight and I
  • 13:31
  • called the New York Times Reporter and I
  • 13:35
  • said um could you cover this you know
  • 13:38
  • the US just overthrew uh the Haitian
  • 13:43
  • government the reporter on the beat said
  • 13:46
  • Jeff my editor is not interested in it
  • 13:49
  • so this is a game and it's a very very
  • 13:53
  • serious game and it's getting us closer
  • 13:56
  • and closer to annihilation because Haiti

  • 14:00
  • is one thing Ukraine is another thing
  • The US intervention in Ukraine’s affairs
  • 14:03
  • right in Ukraine we know in uh late
  • 14:08
  • January
  • 14:09
  • 2014 you have Victoria nuland now my
  • 14:13
  • colleague at Columbia University on the
  • 14:15
  • phone with the UN US ambassador to
  • 14:18
  • Ukraine Jeffrey Pat who is still a
  • 14:20
  • senior State Department official okay
  • 14:24
  • who's the new government going to be uh
  • 14:27
  • yeah maybe klitsch no not clitch he
  • 14:29
  • should stay out I think yats yatsenuk
  • 14:32
  • yatsenuk he's the guy they discuss who
  • 14:35
  • they're going to put in for the new
  • 14:37
  • government and on February 22nd uh a few
  • 14:42
  • weeks later it's yachs it's yatsenuk he
  • 14:46
  • becomes the new prime minister the US is
  • 14:48
  • part of yet another coup is this and by
  • 14:53
  • the way that's the start of the Ukraine
  • 14:55
  • war that's literally the start of the
  • 14:57
  • Ukraine war the war didn't start

  • 15:00
  • february2 it started in 2014 but there
  • 15:03
  • are still thousands of ukrainians who
  • 15:05
  • say we had very legitimate reasons to go
  • 15:07
  • to maidan against yanukovich we were
  • 15:08
  • there because we yeah we didn't like our
  • 15:10
  • our gu correct so the point being that
  • 15:12
  • two things could be true at the same
  • 15:14
  • time right yeah but you know my view is
  • 15:17
  • that the United States should have
  • 15:20
  • nothing to do with overthrowing another
  • 15:23
  • government period And if you're
  • 15:25
  • overthrowing another government because
  • 15:28
  • you have a plan
  • 15:29
  • to put your military in that country
  • 15:32
  • which is the US plan since
  • 15:36
  • 1994 it raises the stakes a little more
  • 15:39
  • and if you're putting in the military
  • 15:41
  • base next to the other nuclear
  • 15:44
  • superpower you might say not the best
  • 15:48
  • idea right if you do that knowing as I
  • 15:52
  • do how many senior diplomats told the
  • 15:56
  • politicians don't do that don't do that

  • 16:00
  • this could be disaster this could lead
  • 16:03
  • to war and not just run-of-the-mill
  • 16:06
  • people I'm talking about George Kennan
  • 16:09
  • saying this in 1997 in 1998 that this
  • 16:13
  • could be the most consequential disaster
  • 16:15
  • Jack Matlock who was us uh ambassador to
  • 16:19
  • the Soviet Union Bill Perry who was Bill
  • 16:22
  • Clinton's Secretary of Defense I know
  • 16:25
  • these people uh and they know do not
  • 16:29
  • overthrow a Ukrainian government so that
  • 16:32
  • you can move NATO forward and expect
  • 16:34
  • you're going to have a good outcome so
  • 16:37
  • that's why I say I don't trust the
  • 16:40
  • Americans no and that's that's very
  • “The US is an extension of Netanyahu’s policy”
  • 16:42
  • clear I want to come back to
  • 16:46
  • this through Netanyahu and Israel okay
  • 16:50
  • do you want him to face accountability
  • 16:52
  • for the crimes in Gaza the bombing the
  • 16:54
  • the slaughter of thousands of people of
  • 16:57
  • course and and uh it is brave and right

  • 17:01
  • of the international criminal court to
  • 17:03
  • have indicted him absolutely and do you
  • 17:05
  • see him as an extension of US policy in
  • 17:08
  • the no I see the us as an extension of
  • 17:11
  • Netanyahu policy you're lucky you're
  • 17:12
  • Jewish they'd call you an anti-semite
  • 17:14
  • well they they can call me anything they
  • 17:16
  • want but I can tell you the truth okay
  • 17:18
  • and I'll tell you the truth by the way
  • Discussing Netanyahu’s ideas from his book Fighting Terrorism
  • 17:20
  • go ahead the truth is that nyaho said in
  • 17:24
  • 1996 in a book which I recently reread
  • 17:28
  • called fighting terrorism he laid out
  • 17:32
  • the whole plan and this is by the way
  • 17:34
  • quite interesting it's just advice to
  • 17:36
  • any listeners usually when there are
  • 17:40
  • terrible
  • 17:41
  • plans they don't hide them Hitler wrote
  • 17:45
  • mine com uh and I I'm not meaning to
  • 17:48
  • make simplistic comparisons I'm just
  • 17:51
  • making the point that people say what
  • 17:54
  • they're going to do right and in a
  • 17:56
  • different sphere and again please don't
  • 17:58
  • Mis understand because every time you

  • 18:00
  • say one then it's a Kur fuffle that
  • 18:03
  • people Mis misunderstand but Netanyahu
  • 18:07
  • wrote in 1996 his plan for how he was
  • 18:11
  • going to make Israel
  • 18:13
  • safe uh brinsky wrote in
  • 18:16
  • 1997 a different book called the Grand
  • 18:18
  • chessboard of how he was going to make
  • 18:20
  • the United States the the world's
  • 18:22
  • unipolar power so they write the story
  • 18:25
  • and you can go back and evaluate did
  • 18:27
  • they know what they're talking about are
  • 18:29
  • they full of BS uh did they cause a lot
  • 18:32
  • of trouble so just on two points brinsky
  • 18:36
  • in 1997 says the US can expand NATO
  • 18:40
  • Russia will have no choice but to exceed
  • 18:44
  • what's Russia going to do is it going to
  • 18:46
  • become an ally of China no way says
  • 18:49
  • binski you know okay interesting didn't
  • 18:52
  • quite get that one right's big so that's
  • 18:55
  • one one idea Netanyahu has a different

  • 19:00
  • idea and it's coherent but it's kind of
  • 19:03
  • Madness uh his idea is we captured the
  • 19:07
  • Palestinian lands in
  • 19:09
  • 1967 and we're never going to give them
  • 19:12
  • back there are really two schools of
  • Two schools of thought in Israel
  • 19:15
  • thought in Israel of the
  • 19:17
  • extremists I don't think
  • 19:20
  • Netanyahu I don't know what his religion
  • 19:23
  • his religious views are actually I don't
  • 19:25
  • care but anyway he says I'm not going to
  • 19:27
  • give it back because it would be unsafe
  • 19:28
  • for Israel to give it back so we're just
  • 19:31
  • going to rule over the Palestinians
  • 19:33
  • there's a second take which says we're
  • 19:35
  • not going to give it back because God in
  • 19:37
  • the year 700 BC or in the year a th000
  • 19:41
  • BC but written in a book The Book of
  • 19:44
  • Joshua in the year 700 BC told us it's
  • 19:47
  • ours and there are people that
  • 19:48
  • absolutely believe that as well both of
  • 19:51
  • them are now in an alliance uh in the
  • 19:55
  • this most extremist Israeli government
  • 19:58
  • but go going back to
  • Netanyahu’s war on terror: Seven wars in five years
  • 19:59
  • 1996 netan spells out very clearly the

  • 20:04
  • following story he says we're going to
  • 20:05
  • keep the Land There Will Be resistance
  • 20:09
  • Hamas Hezbollah other militant
  • 20:12
  • resistance what will we do about it you
  • 20:15
  • can't really fight the terrorists he
  • 20:18
  • says you have to fight the states that
  • 20:21
  • back the terrorists and Iran is the
  • 20:23
  • central one in his mind but
  • 20:25
  • interestingly for Netanyahu he lays out
  • 20:28
  • out one by one yes of course Iran is the
  • 20:32
  • central one in his mind but so too is
  • 20:34
  • Iraq under Saddam he supported Hamas so
  • 20:38
  • to is Bashar al-assad in Syria so to is
  • 20:43
  • Somalia so to is morar Gaddafi in Libya
  • 20:47
  • uh so to is the government in Sudan so
  • 20:52
  • you see one by to Lebanon you know he
  • 20:55
  • laid it out and he at various times
  • 20:58
  • named listed the countries and one list

  • 21:01
  • that showed up in the Pentagon just
  • 21:04
  • after 9/11 was seven countries Iran Iraq
  • 21:09
  • Lebanon Syria Somalia Sudan and Libya
  • 21:14
  • and you know what the plan was seven
  • 21:17
  • wars in five years and is this the US
  • 21:22
  • using Israel no no no this is Israel
  • 21:25
  • using the us as if our military is is in
  • 21:29
  • their hands which in in effect it is you
  • 21:31
  • take woltz and you take fith and you
  • 21:35
  • take uh these neocons and you take
  • 21:38
  • Netanyahu they they game plan the whole
  • 21:40
  • thing out well I regard Netanyahu as
  • 21:43
  • having been our greatest disastrous
  • 21:45
  • president of the 21st century because he
  • 21:48
  • ran American foreign policy for 20 years
  • 21:50
  • and he cost us trillions of dollars and
  • 21:53
  • where is the Middle East today war in
  • 21:56
  • Syria war in Lebanon war in in Palestine
  • 21:59
  • uh unrest in Iraq uh the war in Yemen uh

  • 22:05
  • chaos in Sudan chaos in Somalia chaos in
  • 22:09
  • Libya great job BBE you did a terrific
  • 22:13
  • job so this is to my mind what what this
  • 22:16
  • is all about these people have
  • 22:18
  • ideas these ideas are absolutely
  • 22:21
  • dangerous and your and we're running out
  • Two-state solution
  • 22:23
  • of time so I want to keep this brief but
  • 22:25
  • you're you're not willing to accept
  • 22:27
  • netanyahu's justif ification for what
  • 22:29
  • he's doing in Gaza willing to accept
  • 22:31
  • that he's fighting Hamas and he's
  • 22:32
  • fighting terrorism I'm will by the way
  • 22:34
  • what I believe in since resolution 242
  • 22:37
  • in the fall of 1967 is a state of
  • 22:40
  • Palestine living aside a state of isra
  • 22:43
  • you want you want a two-state solution
  • An apologist for China and Russia?
  • 22:44
  • you're not willing to take netanyahu's
  • 22:46
  • justifications for massacres and war
  • 22:48
  • crimes possibly even
  • 22:50
  • genocide why does it seem as if you're
  • 22:52
  • willing to take the justifications of
  • 22:54
  • Putin Vis A Ukraine of China and
  • 22:59
  • shinjang and the weers of Bashar Al

  • 23:02
  • Assad saying he's fighting terrorism
  • 23:03
  • while he's Barrel bombing Syrian people
  • 23:06
  • why are you so partial to their
  • 23:08
  • justification but not Net's first of all
  • 23:10
  • because I know that most of these things
  • 23:12
  • like shinjang is Western blah blah blah
  • 23:16
  • blah blah narrative what do you mean by
  • 23:18
  • that what I mean by that is that there
  • 23:20
  • are tens of thousands of people being
  • 23:23
  • slaughtered in Gaza and there is not
  • 23:25
  • even one uh story about murders in Shin
  • 23:30
  • Jang but you accept some bad things are
  • 23:32
  • happening it could be bad things but to
  • 23:34
  • call that a genocide and to be making an
  • 23:37
  • actual genocide in Gaza is a game of
  • 23:41
  • Western narratives you take uh our
  • 23:44
  • current story in the United States of
  • 23:46
  • China the war like China how many wars
  • 23:50
  • has China been in in the last 40 years
  • 23:54
  • uh let me count them that would be zero
  • 23:57
  • not one war war in 40 years when was the

  • 24:00
  • most recent war that China was in
  • January 16 to February 16
  • 1979 one month in a conflict with
  • Vietnam which had to do actually with
  • the Vietnam having overthrown a
  • government in Cambodia okay one month we
  • are not at dire risk from China we are
  • China is not mass murdering its
  • population
  • but we are gearing up in the United
  • States for war with China why well once
  • again people actually wrote why there's
  • a you have to know where to look but if
  • you look at the Council on Foreign
  • Relations an article by a former
  • colleague of mine Robert Blackwell and
  • Ashley Tellis in
  • 2015 they say that China has become so
  • powerful that it threatens American
  • Primacy and China's rise is no longer in
  • America's interest and so you watch this

  • 25:02
  • mentality in the US go into effect
  • suddenly because China's economically
  • successful they're not just economically
  • successful they're the enemy so
  • everything becomes rhetoric in the case
  • of Ukraine which I have followed from
  • 1990 as advisor not only to Mel
  • gorbachov and advisor to yelton but also
  • advisor to president president Leonid
  • kuchma of Ukraine I was advising the
  • Ukrainian government in
  • 1994 I'm not against Ukraine in any way
  • I'm against using Ukraine and ukrainians
  • being slaughtered by the hundreds of
  • thousands because the United States
  • wants to move another piece on the board
  • to have its military bases on the border
  • of Russia and why by the way because
  • again there's a whole Telltale line of

  • 26:00
  • reasoning just like the Soviet Union
  • broke up we can induce Russia to break
  • up along ethnic lines this is a a meme
  • of Washington these people
  • are out of their minds to be provoking
  • us towards nuclear war this way
  • Professor Jeffrey saaks we didn't even
  • get to talk about the world economy
  • maybe maybe next time I hope we can
  • sometime thank you so much for joining
  • us thanks a lot much appreciate it
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