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COMMENTARY THE COFFEE KLATCH ... SEPTEMBER 14th 2024 Robert Reich and Heather Lofthouse: Trump's in Trouble \| The Coffee Klatch PLAY YOUTUBE VIDEO Original article: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCjmjFGbwX8 Peter Burgess COMMENTARY Peter Burgess
Trump's in Trouble \| The Coffee Klatch with Robert Reich Robert Reich 797K subscribers Premiered 63 minutes ago The Coffee Klatch with Robert Reich Friends, It was quite a debate and quite a week. Today, Heather and I look back on both, and do our best to peer into the future. What effect will the debate have on undecided voters? What does Kamala Harris need to do in the remaining weeks? What will Trump do? Why is Trump refusing a second debate with Harris? We also examine the consequences of Taylor Swift’s endorsement (and Elon Musk’s grade-school bully boy response). And we take a look at yesterday’s 30th anniversary of the Violence Against Women Act. So pull up a chair and join us. People 6 people Joe Biden President of the United States since 2021 Donald Trump President of the United States from 2017 to 2021 Kamala Harris Vice President of the United States since 2021 J. D. Vance American politician (born 1984) Hillary Clinton American politician and diplomat (born 1947) Bill Clinton President of the United States from 1993 to 2001 Explore the podcast 40 episodes The Coffee Klatch with Robert Reich Robert Reich Transcript 0:00 and it is the Saturday coffee clutch with Heather Loft housee and yours truly Robert Rice uh and uh Heather what are we going to talk about today did anything happened this this this week never a dull clotch so how about we talk about the debate but let's frame it as what did we learn and what's happening next okay that that debate occurred Tuesday night as I remember but everybody's been talking about it since then U and it it was really kind of a milestone uh it was watched by how many people it was it was more than people more than yeah 67 million and that's about 30% more people than the people who watched the June 27th debate between Biden and Trump so this is a much much bigger deal it's a huge deal also think about it 154 million voters voted in the presidential election of 2020 so that's more than a third of that number and then let's think about all the people that have seen the clips and the memes 1:02 and the takedowns and the raw footage online lot of this this was very very important in terms of kamla Harris introducing herself to the American people because the New York Times Sienna poll that came out just before that Sunday before last Sunday uh that poll said that 28% of Americans felt they needed to know more about her before they could form an opinion so we all assume that kamla Harris was known by everybody but obviously she wasn't and perhaps still isn't at least to the extent that people need to know more about her but that debate helped a great deal and Heather who won the debate I mean depends who you ask I mean according to reality kamla Harris won the debate according to the CNN poll that came right out after she won by a lot of numbers what was it 6 63 to 37 absolutely according to every poll I've seen uh including importantly polls in 2:03 the swing States uh she came out ahead now it's not clear what that means we'll get into this in a moment in terms of what it means actually in terms of voting but it was quite amazing I I I don't want to spend any too much time because we've already spent a lot of time talking about that debate but I was interested the New York Times did a very almost a second byc uh analysis of that debate and they found that kamla Harris used far more of her time to attack Donald Trump than Donald Trump used of his time to attack her uh now it's interesting because my impression now you and I were there we were hosting a watch along my impression was that Trump was much more on the attack but I think that's because he sounds constantly negative and and attacking but she actually in terms of the points that she made and landed and caused him to get flx and and and really show his angry 3:04 awful side she made more punches and they landed much harder well it felt like she was at a debate it felt like she was saying Donald Trump right there and having a conversation that was very pointed and very specific and evidence-based God forbid and he never said her first name never said her last name said she her and they and them the whole time so it felt I mean it was just the tone it was the presence and with her it felt like feedback or criticisms it didn't feel like the attacks that he did so blatantly but that's his gears are what whining bragging and lying I mean that's all bragging that that's actually that's it that's all there is but I thought she she set the tone when she went over and she introduced herself I'm KLA Harris uh and she shook his hand even though he obviously didn't she would even went behind his Podium to do 4:04 that that's a famous and very important moment I thought honestly from that moment on she Ruled The Roost she in fact dominated him and Donald Trump without being dominating I mean that's his real that's that's what he does he dominates if he couldn't dominate uh he was lost and I think he was lost and also he's a germaphobe and she knows it so it was a power play it was a watch me do the thing that I know creeps you out and then it was also this is how to pronounce my name I mean really like he can no longer say he doesn't know she said it to his face um yeah I thought and the clips I mean you're absolutely right the clips that followed uh particularly with re with regard to the Springfield Ohio of the the Haitians who Donald Trump said were eating pets I mean it was it it caused her to laugh which was the appropriate response it was and she said extreme that's exactly 5:07 right he exposed himself as being out of his gourd right it really was deranged but we have to be very clear it is also blatant racism and very scary what he's doing because there are impacts right you heard earlier this week there were bomb threats in Springfield I mean this cannot be yes there's lots of memes and there's humor and we do need that but we also have to see it for what it is and it is not funny absolutely and and you know the fact of the matter is that the Haans who are in Springfield are there legally they are not there illegally they're not undocumented also there was no evidence whatever of anybody taking somebody else's pet uh and thirdly the accident there was an accident a year ago uh in which a Haitian did accidentally uh hit a but us with a car 6:01 that caused one child sadly to be killed the parents of that CH that child got on the the Broadcast News saying I mean just a heartwrenching they said Trump and Vance stop using our child for political purposes I know it's a pawn it's horrible it didn't stop Vance and I doubt that it's going to stop Trump because what these people do is they dig in they went you know even when they're in a hole they dig further they just don't give up I know it um and then in term I mean it'll be we'll have to see what this means for election day right more polls will be coming out they're already both of them Harris and Trump are on the trail again I'm hoping that she will be showing more appearances on the news I said that when we were at the debate and I stick by it and it's interesting people don't know enough about her my sense is we're still going 7:00 to be seeing that in the polls for weeks to come which I think is ridiculous so I don't love that if I'm honest it feels like not true well I I I wonder whenever I see somebody uh at least of the last three days say I need more information I don't know whether that's in fact what's going on I can't help think and maybe they don't admit it to themselves uh that the idea of voting for a woman and a woman of color there it is so deeply difficult reprehensible to them that they they say they need more information because they can't sort of get it into their heads that this is the leader this is the next leader of the United States right and let's keep in mind we have not we the collective are and K Harris herself are not leaning into her gender and race and I love that because she is just a president a presidential candidate I mean she has the energy we'll talk about that but 8:00 it's just it is what it is and what's so terrific is it's so Monumental but we're not still talking about that we know I wrote this down in terms of how many Governors there are who are women in this country 12 out of 50 I mean that's 24% and then in the Senate we know it's 5050 um and then 125 women are in the House of Representatives I we this does not represent the population and there has never been a woman president and there has never been a woman of color who is president but i' like that this is not something that is constantly being talked about it's issues and it's better things than that not better but excuse me go ahead no excuse me speaking of not speaking over forgive a woman U forgive me uh but uh I was going to say Taylor Swift uh who I think really does in many way ways uh she represents the Next Generation and that's what we're talking about here it's not so much a woman it's the Next Generation it's the it's it's energy it's youth it's where America is going and for Taylor Swift to endorse KLA 9:07 Harris in such a sophisticated way yes it wasn't just I endorse her it she said well I have weighed the arguments I've thought about it uh you do it for yourself but I am telling you I am endorsing her because I think she's a leader for our time and so on uh I just thought that was a perfect Capstone to the evening it was and the timing was fantastic I just watched the debate you know it was brilliantly done and we'll see what it actually means right is she so all these people and young people are going to be registering to vote right yes in fact I in fact the data I saw Heather uh was that something in the order of 360,000 people soon after Taylor Swift recommended that they register did register yes uh and the number by today may be sort of in the 5 600 700,000 but these are young people most of them who 10:05 had not registered and I think more power to them right will she show up on the ground in Pennsylvania for a rally I mean I don't know I feel like there's even more she could do to Rally all the swifties and the Swift dependence Independents who are prone to listen to Taylor Swift I don't know and and one of my my my one of the people in America who I think is one of the worst people in America uh the rich richest person in the world here we go I know who you're going to talk about the person who called me a miniature wanker have to bring that up again what did he say to Taylor he said hold on fine Taylor you win this was on X his tedious platform you win I will give you a child and guard your cats with my life because what she did was she signed it as a childless cat lady which of course is a reference to JD Vance being misogynistic and with his quotes from the past and that is what Elon Musk the richest man in the world who owns that and dominates that platform put out it 11:05 is inappropriate and foul and let me just also say Elon Musk is a CEO of some of the biggest companies in America not just uh the platform X but also SpaceX and starlink uh and I mean this the the shareholders of these companies now have they know I mean there's no there's no doubt about it they have a CEO who is as close to a CEO can come to Donald Trump in in term and and JD Vance in terms of saying outrageous sexist ridiculous things I know anything else from the polls to note I mean so looking ahead to the election is there going to be another debate I asked you that the other night when we were watching what do you think what does what does this mean what's going to happen in the next seven and a half weeks uh I think that Trump does not want another debate uh he knows in his heart of hearts he he says that of course I won the debate of course that's what he would say uh but 12:04 he doesn't want to face her again uh I think he knows intuitively that that that would be disaster she's much better at it than he is uh but I think that she does want another debate now the interesting question is would she go along with another debate if it were on Fox News I know now he says I want it on Fox News and he says I want the moderators to be you know some of the fox the Shan Hannity types the opinionated of course he he probably wants them to be JD Vance Laura lomer Marjorie Taylor I mean of course we know who we who he would want as the moderators do you think she'll do it I would I think she should not do it but I think she should do it if it's one of the Fox News News people rather than the opinion people because I think that would give her access to a lot of a lot of Americans who may not know who she is 13:01 even if she peeled off a a very small number of fox viewers that would be a good thing right and it's following in the footsteps of Pete Budaj who is so great on Fox News these days and he just goes and says his on liners that are fantastic and based in reality so it's a if it's a version of that that she can achieve I think it would be fantastic I bet she would do it but again I hope she's I want her on more of I would love to see her on more news shows so this whole idea of I need to get to know her more people could get to know her more though they're still going to put that on their polls as needing even more we know I agree you know you mentioned just now Laura lumer uh I mean talk about a Looney Tunes she was at the 911 I mean she's talked about 911 as being an inside job a conspiracy and who does Trump ask to join him at the 9/11 ceremony uh but Laura Looney I mean I know it's uh it's it's 14:00 it's so disrespectful of the of the people who who lost loved ones in 9/11 of of of really of the nation to do that and and of course Trump doesn't care and it's so typical I mean of course that's what he does and we're just again there's this sashing we're so used to it but it's just oh it's horrible it's horrible to see this everything he does even just this week alone and people his base is still going to support him well I think this is an important point in terms of the future the 40% of Americans who are the Trump base they're not going anywhere I mean I think that they have stuck with him since 2016 they are going to continue to stick with him uh the 40% of Americans who hate Trump are going to continue to hate Trump the 20% of Americans in the middle uh I think some of them are now migrating over to Harris but of course the critical question is Michigan Wisconsin Pennsylvania North Carolina Georgia Arizona and Nevada what 15:05 about those people and also what about the counties and precincts in those swing States is she attracting some of those people because remember and we've talked about this many many times before there that night that 2020 election uh Was Won by Joe Biden by something like something in the order of 44 th000 votes in those key precincts and counties in those key States and those were the that's the same number of votes that Hillary Clinton lost by to uh to to Donald Trump uh in those key States so you know as as much as we would love the popular vote to be determinative obviously it is not no the Electoral College stands but it's so interesting to watch after the debate when you see these articles or these talkbacks with Independence you know hi now we're 16:03 talking to Independence but they all seem to or they're picked because they lean to me Republican soft Republican it's interesting what is independent mean these days and so if some if you see someone as independent on self- declared on a poll I wonder if it's the same independent that it might have been a year ago 10 years ago it's an interesting time it's an interesting time it's a good question I mean I I've said this before I I don't trust the polls uh particularly because some people and I know and I've even met them some Republicans are embarrassed to tell posters that they are for Trump uh they look at posters as professionals as people who have more education than they do or whatever the reason they won't say the truth so there is a bias in the polls yeah for sure that observation bias and then but also there's a bias and people who are not going to be admitting that they're voting for a woman of color either right 17:03 so which bias is going to we'll have to see which bias wins out um also I mean I just think one other thing that came out of the are we going to have to watch the vice presidential debate together we are right are we in on minute Heather when you say have to what mean what do you have to you don't have to do anything you are a free agent I mean I I I mean if you will do it I'll do it if you're not going to do it I'm not going to do it no we are watching it live we will give um we will watch it together and we will give fact checking it'll be a different factchecking experience than the last one because Trump did his Gish Gallop where it's so many non-stop lies but I think JD Vance is kind of a one lie at a time kind of guy so it'll be easier perhaps um but I don't know I it'll be interesting to see uh JD Vance I think uh comes pretty close to Elon Musk in terms of character and dreams in his dreams he'd have that 18:04 power yeah and uh and he's not going away I mean if if Trump loses the election you can bet JD Vance will be the Republican nominee or certainly among the very small number of Republican potential nominees for president 2028 jdance is there um I think he's he's sort of a noxious character U but sort of and but put him next to one of the really most warmest characters in American politics which is wall uh it'll be interesting to see you saw that JD came out I say JD JD Vance came out and said um about Taylor Swift you know I don't really like her music and blah blah blah blah blah but you know a billionaire people don't really care about her she's a billionaire who's disconnected from working people or something like that he said so is it going to are these endorsements right 19:02 are they going to work against that's a good question Dem it's interesting how they respond it's it's very interesting because you've got not just you know not just Taylor Swift obviously and not just the Republican uh the Democratic establishment youd have increasingly the Republican establishment I mean to to have uh Dick Cheney I mean I honestly Heather if you had asked me would I ever be working this hard for a Democratic presidential candidate who Dick Cheney supports said it can't possibly be but the but you know 200 former Bush Administration officials have now come out in favor of uh kamla Harris so I think the danger here and it it includes a lot of entertainers uh Oprah and others the danger is that it it reinforces the sense that uh that this is the establishment coming to boost KLA Harris uh and that Trump is the anti-establishment candidate there's a 20:05 danger here I just I don't I don't want to I don't want to dwell on it I hope it it is not materialized uh doesn't come to fruition but I think there is a potential danger right and they jumped on it immediately but I do think the Republicans that are endorsing her that one's so interesting because they're basically saying we care more about democracy than our party right and we have to up the rule of law and I think too one thing out of the debate was foreign policy to me I don't remember foreign policy being kind of so at the at the Forefront of and I know that on average in polls people foreign policy falls down in terms of what's important and kitchen table economics is more important but him being so Pro Putin and so against our place in the world and our democracy at home is really scaring people and it would be great I think if we play this up going 21:00 forward as a real threat I think you're absolutely right can you imagine I mean given his support for Putin uh given his and we're talking about Donald Trump and his isolationism uh and his uh his willingness to put up these gigantic tariffs which are really a sales tax on America uh and all of the other ways in which he is repudiating and continues to repudiate classic Republic ISM uh or even as late as George W bush republicanism I I think that it must be hard for the elected Republicans who are now majority trumpers uh who are election deniers that's how they are surviving how can they uh manage it's getting harder and harder for them and if Trump is defeated uh as I hope he will be uh what happens to all of these Maga Republicans uh is it got like the EMP new clothes they they suddenly say well I've seen the light I didn't really 22:02 mean to support Donald Trump or do they try to hold on somehow to uh I mean they've already lost their integrity they have no Scruples what do they hold on to I don't know but digging themselves out of that ditch is going to take time and money and oof I mean hopefully they do it the the the the Republican party of George W bush is dead it's gone uh it is is buried uh and uh and a new Republican party has to I mean I am a believer in a two- party system I think democracy requires it uh but I don't know how you revive a Republican party after what's happened to it after after you know the this this this extraordinary show this display from these Republican officials uh of of of a lack of any principle at all I know it well I'm happy to be on this ride with you while this the identification of all of these I mean I don't remember this um 23:03 excitement trepidation all these big feelings around these political events I mean I do remember was it Palin who did who was it was Palin back in the day Palin yeah I remember her but I mean I'm like let's watch this VP debate I mean I don't think I've ever said that before I can't the countdown is on before we're watching it yeah but it's October 1st and I am uh putting it in my calendar everybody there by the way thank you everybody out there who for joining us uh and pther and for me uh uh joining us with regard to uh last Tuesday and Heather thank you you did a terrific job well I thought you were pretty great too it's funny to try and not speak over them but also keep up with the with the pacing and people said they like to be able to watch it with us watch alongs are what the the young the cool kids do these days with sports and gaming so we're in the cool kids crowd right Bob that's I don't know if you say that 24:03 you're not in the cool kid crowd i i before we wind up today I did want to mention that yesterday was the third uh anniversary no not not the third anniversary the anniversary of the violence against women act it was signed 30th it was signed into law I was there uh in uh 1994 Bill Clinton signed it into law a very very important Act uh and I remember at the time uh just feeling just this this energy it was it was incredibly important that women be protected uh and there was a feeling I remember in the White House and elsewhere uh that uh that that one of the most important responsibilities of government was to protect those who are uh generally speaking you know weaker from people who are brutalizing them uh and I think for the first few years uh 25:01 it had a very positive effect yeah physically weaker um yeah 55% of female homicides femicides I think is another word for it um are perpetrated by someone very close to them in their family or a domestic partner I mean the numbers are through the roof tell us more about that though I want to know about your time in the '90s around that well I mean first of all I wanted to say that uh the the violence against women act as important as it was the Supreme Court gutted one of the most important Provisions having to do with enforcement saying that uh it violates the con this provision violates the Constitution because its violence against women is not in interstate commerce uh and therefore the federal government should not have jurisdiction and one of the people signing that opinion was Clarence Thomas uh who uh I remember distinctly Heather I mean as long as we're going down memory lane together CL Thomas in the 9s here we go I mean in 19 in 26:08 1991 uh Clarence Thomas uh was at his confirmation Hearing in 1991 Clarence Thomas was opposed you remember some of you I hope you remember by a black woman named Anita Hill uh who claimed that Clarence Thomas had uh really harassed her uh with all kinds of sexual jokes and inuendo not jokes to her obviously I mean he was he was really abusive uh when they were both at the equal employment opportunity commission which he chaired or headed and she was a staff member there uh and she faced this Judiciary Committee all white men that's it uh that Judiciary Committee by the way incidentally not incidentally headed by Guess Who Joe Biden Senator Joe Biden uh but all white men who who gave her a terrible time uh I mean he they they 27:02 really ridiculed her uh and ultimately obviously Clarence Thomas was confirmed um but uh it it was just like Brett kavanal being confirmed uh you know when you have a woman who said she was abused by Brett Kavanaugh uh they didn't pay attention I mean at at a time of the violence against women act we should remember uh that these Supreme Court justices at least two of them uh were I think guilty of sexual abuse uh you know Anita Hill uh was my colleague at brandise her office was right next to mine this is after the hearings right Professor Hill and yeah and we talk about what happened and and it was so clear to me i' I've I've met very few people honestly in my life who have as much integrity and Common Sense and kindness as Anita Hill and the idea that 28:00 she would lie about something like that is absurd I mean she was telling the absolute truth yeah but he got away with it and these are the adjudicators at the highest point in our country and our democracy well and and their opinion I mean obviously these two and others uh they in the do's opinion overruling row against Wade again that is part of the violence against women one out of three women in this country does not have she lives in a state where she does not have the right to over her body to make a decision about an abortion one out of three women right now I mean talk about violence against women I know it's horrific abortion care I like to say I like the phrase abortion care because that's what we need um so uh on that note sometimes I like to do a fun segment at the end of these clutches sometimes I surprise you with them um but this week I think I'm just going to say what did I like from your substack there's a lot of substacks and I liked the one this week where you talked about 29:02 tall energy and you talked about Donald Trump already dissing kamla before they even got out kamla Harris on stage and he was talking about their height and the fact that he's taller than she is shocker of the century um but you had such a good substack will you tell us a little bit about how you got in trouble in the past or I never I got in trouble now I now I had there was a headline about you well oh I know what you're talking about well when I ran I ran for office once before I ran for the Democratic nomination for governor of the state of Massachusetts in 19 what was it no 2002 and um I often joked about my height because people you know I'm very short Heather you don't know this but I am very very short well you do know this but I'm very I'm getting a bit shorter as I get older and but but in when you're in politics you know the short person almost never wins 30:05 in politics because I who knows I mean St there's studies about this you know that genetically we are programmed uh to want to have a tall big person protecting us uh so I used to joke about my height very often but I I did get in Fox News really went after me and you had that wasn't it in a newspaper too I mean you were in so much trouble I think we might have a clip oh the short jokes began when Robert R had to climb up on a box behind a Podium to announce his candidacy for governor of Massachusetts but at least I stand firmly on my platform ever since R the former labor secretary has been turning what could be a liability into a punchline sometimes I I start out lectures for discussions 31:00 particularly when time is limited and I say something like you know they've asked me to be short and it usually takes the audience about two seconds to catch on to the fact that I am joking at 4 10 in tall R has no shortage of material when I was Secretary of Labor I used to stand up in front of business audiences and say do I really look like big government and I do it uh again because there's just not enough humor in public life well Heather you know Fox News went on you know and they not only Fox News but the conservative uh papers in Boston they went on to attack me uh because they said that short people around the country were angry with me for making fun of my height I mean hello you have been through it I mean even thinking about Elon mus two weeks ago well this has been terrific thank you for obliging us when we want to dig into the archives and make you suffer and watch for digging into the archives and making me once again once again suffer uh but Heather thank you again personally for everything you're doing 32:06 and for your talent and for your are just a wonderful wonderful self I don't know how you do this I don't know how you you know every week and or twice a week too kind I learned from the best well Lear from the shortest everybody out from the shortest uh everybody out there thank thank you for joining us today we will see you very very soon and uh have a ver have a great and safe week bye-bye [Music]

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