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US POLITICS RACHEL MADDOW ON ELECTION INTEGRITY MSNBC: EXCLUSIVE: New report aims to protect election certification from Trump subversion strategy Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) PLAY YOUTUBE VIDEO Original article: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01_HKARXWOM Peter Burgess COMMENTARY CREW ... Peter Burgess
EXCLUSIVE: New report aims to protect election certification from Trump subversion strategy MSNBC Aug 13, 2024 7.13M subscribers #MSNBC #Trump #2024 election As Americans become increasingly aware of the likelihood that Republicans will try to subvert a potential 2024 election loss by Donald Trump with a plan to hijack the election administration apparatus and prevent (or just make a mess of) the election certification process, more people are wondering how to stop such a scheme from happening. Noah Bookbinder, president of Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, talks with Rachel Maddow about a new expert report that outlines strategies for combating efforts to interfere with the certification of the vote. » Subscribe to MSNBC: / msnbc Download our new MSNBC app for the latest breaking news and daily headlines at a glance: https://www.msnbc.com/information/dow... 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AND IT HAS BECOME A POINT OF CENTRAL DISCUSSION IN THIS PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. IT'S BECAUSE THIS PLAYBOOK WAS DESIGNED FOR TRUMP, CAME OUT OF SORT OF TRUMP WORLD. BUT IT ALSO IS BECAUSE IT OUTLINES POLICIES THAT VOTERS AS A GENERAL MATTER REALLY, REALLY, REALLY DON'T WANT. SO THIS WAS CREATED FOR TRUMP BY PEOPLE ASSOCIATED WITH TRUMP. TRUMP NOW REALIZING HOW UNPOPULAR IT IS, HE KEEPS TRYING TO DISTANCE HIMSELF FROM IT, SAYING HE HAS NO IDEA WHO THESE PEOPLE ARE WHO WROTE THIS THING. UNFORTUNATELY FOR HIM, THIS IS A PICTURE OF HIM WITH THE MAN WHO WROTE IT ON A PLANE. AND JD VANCE, HE WROTE THE FOREWORD FOR THE BOOK. AND THIS AT THE A.P., FORMER TRUMP ADMINISTRATION OFFICIAL TEASING THE FACT HE'S CURRENTLY WRITING THE SUPER SECRET 1:01 TRANSITION PLAYBOOK THAT TRUMP WILL USE IF HE'S RE-ELECTED IN NOVEMBER. THIS GUY PLANNING THE TRANSITION, YOU'LL NOTICE THE HEADLINE OFFERS A HELPFUL REMINDER THIS ISN'T THE FIRST PLAYBOOK HE'S WRITTEN. THE GUY PLANNING THE TRUMP TRANSITION IS A, QUOTE, PROJECT 2025 ARCHITECT. SIX OF TRUMP'S CABINET OFFICIALS COLLABORATED ON THE DRAFTING OF THE PROJECT 2025 PLAYBOOK. ANOTHER 140 TRUMP ADMINISTRATION STAFFERS HAD A HAND IN WORKING ON IT IN SOME CAPACITY. ALL OF THAT PUT TOGETHER MAKES IT A HARD SELL FOR THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN TO CLAIM THEY HAD NO IDEA WHO THESE PEOPLE ARE WHO WROTE UP THIS THING. AND THAT WAS BEFORE THIS HAPPENED. ProPUBLICA HAS OBTAINED AND PUBLIXED 14 HOURS OF TRAINING VIDEOS PUT TOGETHER BY PROJECT 2025 THAT ARE ESSENTIALLY TUTORIALS FOR MEMBERS OF THE FUTURE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. AND THE VIDEOS ARE INTERESTING TO LOOK AT IN THEIR OWN RIGHT. FOR THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN, TRYING TASAY NO TRUMP PEOPLE HAVE EVER HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH THIS, NEVER HEARD OF ANYTHING, ANY OF 2:00 THESE PEOPLE, THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW WHERE THIS THING CAME FROM, FOR THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN TRYING TO MAKE THAT CASE, THESE NEW VIDEOS ARE NOT GOING TO HELP THEM MAKE THAT CASE. >> HELLO. MY NAME IS JEFF SMALL. I WAS A PRESIDENTIAL APPOINTEE IN THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. >> MY NAME IS CAROLINE LEVTS AND I'M A FORMER THE 2016 PRESIDENT TRANSITION, I WAS THE DIRECTOR OF DOMESTIC POLICY APPOINTMENTS. >> PAM, YOU STARTED ON DAY ONE OF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. AND YOU STAYED UNTIL THE FINAL HOUR. >> YEAH. SHOCKING THAT I MADE IT. >> POOR PAM. THEY MUST HAVE REALLY PUT HER THROUGH THE RINGER. OF THE 36 DIFFERENT PEOPLE WHO APPEAR IN THESE VIDEOS THAT ARE OBTAINED BY ProPUBLICA, 29 OF THE 36 OF THEM YEAH, TRYING TO PEOPLE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THIS PROJECT 2025 THING, WE HAVE FRESH NEW POLLING TODAY FROM UMASS AMHERST PAINTING A VERY CLEAR PORTRAIT OF WHY THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN CONTINUES TO TRY TO PRETEND LIKE THEY HAVE NO TIES TO PROJECT 2025, NO MATTER HOW 3:02 UNSUSTAINABLE THAT CLAIM IS. PART OF THE FINDINGS OF THIS POLL ARE EVEN PEOPLE WHO VOTED FOR TRUMP IN 2020, THEY BY CLEAR MAJORITY SAY THEY DO NOT SUPPORT THE POLICIES IN PROJECT 2025. THE SAME POLL ALSO TOOK A SNAPSHOT OF THE ELECTORATE SINCE BIDEN DROPPED OUT OF THE PRESIDENTIAL RACE BACK WHEN THIS POLL WAS TAKEN IN JANUARY, TRUMP LED BIDEN NATIONALLY BY FOUR POINTS. WITH KAMALA HARRIS NOW AT THE TOP OF THE TICKET, THOUGH, SHE LEADS TRUMP NATIONALLY BY THREE POINTS. SO A TOTAL TURNAROUND THERE. AND YOU'RE STARTING TO SEE THAT SAME TURNAROUND FOR DEMOCRATS IN IMPORTANT SWING STATES TOO. LATE LAST MONTH AFTER BIDEN DROPPED OUT, HARRIS WAS TIED WITH TRUMP IN SWING STATES, THE SWING STATES OF MICHIGAN AND PENNSYLVANIA. TRUMP WAS UP BY ONE POINT IN WISCONSIN. IF YOU LOOK AT THAT SAME POLL NOW, IN ALL THREE OF THOSE STATES, HARRIS LEADS TRUMP PLUS FOUR. IT'S A TURNAROUND, IT REALLY IS, AND IT'S NATIONALLY AND IN THE IMPORTANT STATES, AND WHAT THIS MEANS IF YOU'RE THE REPUBLICAN 4:01 TICKET IS YOU'RE GOING TO NEED A NEW STRATEGY. YOU'RE EITHER GOING TO NEED TO TURN THIS CAMPAIGN AROUND TO MAKE PEOPLE LIKE YOU MORE OR YOU'RE GOING TO NEED TO FIGURE OUT A WAY TO WIN IN A DIFFERENT WAY. AND I HAVE BEEN TALKING HERE ON MSNBC WITH SOME URGENCY ABOUT THIS SINCE AROUND THE TIME OF THE RNC. BECAUSE OF WHAT I'M SEEING AS WHAT CLEARLY APPEARS TO BE AN EMERGING STRATEGY FOR REPUBLICANS THIS YEAR. WHICH IS TO MESS WITH THE COUNT OF THE VOTE. TO HAVE LOCAL REPUBLICAN OFFICIALS DENY CERTIFICATION OF THE VOTE COUNTY BY COUNTY. YOU'LL REMEMBER IN 2020, WHEN THE VIOLENT MOB WAS SICCED ON CONGRESS, THEY WERE THERE TO BLOCK THE CERTIFICATION OF THE VOTE NATIONWIDE. WELL, THIS TIME AROUND, THEY ARE PROFESSIONALIZING THE EFFORT TO BLOCK THE CERTIFICATION OF THE VOTE. THEY'RE SYSTEMATIZING IT. THEY'RE STARTING WITH TRAINED REPUBLICAN OFFICIALS AT THE LOCAL LEVEL IN STATES ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY. SO THEY CAN MAKE A BIGGER SWING AT IT THIS TIME. AND I HAVE BEEN TALKING A LOT 5:01 ABOUT THIS ON MSNBC. I HEAR FROM YOU GUYS A LOT, EVERY TIME I DO IT, I HAVE GOTTEN A LOT OF FEEDBACK ON THIS, BUT SOME REAL EXPERTS IN THE FIELD ARE TALKING ABOUT IT TOO. NOT JUST ABOUT HOW ABOUT FOR SE WEEKS HERE ON MSNBC BOTH DURING OUR RNC COVERAGE AND ALSO HERE ON THIS SHOW. THERE'S AN URGENT NEW REPORT ON THE SUBJECT THAT I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT FOR WEEKS HERE. WE'RE REVEALING IT HERE FOR THE FIRST TIME TONIGHT. IT'S FROM CREW. CITIZENS FOR RESPONSIBILITY AND ETHICS IN WASHINGTON. IT'S CALLED ELECTION CERTIFICATION UNDER THREAT. A LEGAL ROAD MAP TO PROTECT THE 2024 ELECTION, INCLUDING FROM 35 OFFICIALS WHO HAVE REFUSED TO CERTIFY RESULTS. THE REPORT TRACKS THIS SORT OF BURGEONING CRISIS ACROSS EIGHT DIFFERENT STATES SO FAR WHERE IN FACT THERE HAVE BEEN DOZENS OF REPUBLICAN LOCAL OFFICIALS WHO HAVE BEEN REFUSING TO SIGN OFF ON PROPER TALLIES OF LAWFUL VOTES. IS THIS A REPUBLICAN STRATEGY THAT HOLDS ANY PROMISE OF 6:00 ESSENTIALLY HAMSTRINGING THE ELECTORAL COUNT OF MESSING UP THE ELECTION AND ITS -- THE ADMINISTRATION OF THE ELECTION AT THE POINT OF THE COUNTING OF THE VOTES, MAKING OFFICIAL THE VOTE TALLIES? DO THEY HAVE ANY REAL PROSPECTS OF MESSING UP THE VOTE IN NOVEMBER USING THESE TACTICS THAT THEY HAVE BEEN ESSENTIALLY TEST DRIVING IN STATES ALL ACROSS THE COUNTRY IN LOWER PROFILE ELECTIONS? JOINING US NOW IS NOAH BOOKBINDER, PRESIDENT AND CEO OF CREW, CITIZENS FOR RESPONSIBILITY AND ETHICS IPWASHINGTON. THANKS FOR JOINING US. THANKS FOR THE ADVANCE LOOK ADD YOUR REPORT. I FOUND IT REALLY INTERESTING. >> THANKS SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME. >> SO, I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS SORT OF WITH INCREASING CONCERN FOR THE LAST FEW WEEKS BECAUSE IT LOOKS TO ME LIKE REPUBLICANS AT THE COUNTY LEVEL AND NOW STARTING TO BE AT THE STATE LEVEL ARE TEST DRIVING AN EFFORT THAT THEY'RE GOING TO TRY IN NOVEMBER TO EFFECTIVELY PREVENT THE ELECTION FROM BEING MADE OFFICIAL, TO PREVENT THE 7:01 VOTE TALLYING TO GO FORWARD IN ANY SORT OF NORMAL WAY. DO YOU THINK THAT IS WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO DO? >> I THINK IT IS ABSOLUTELY A THING THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN. I THINK THAT WE HAVE SEEN THESE COUNTY OFFICIALS IN MULTIPLE STATES ATTEMPT TO STOP THE CERTIFICATION OF -- OF VOTES IN ELECTIONS OF IN MANY CASES VERY LITTLE CONSEQUENCE, AND THEY'RE DOING IT ESSENTIALLY AS A RUN THROUGH FOR AN ELECTION OF A GREAT DEAL OF CONSEQUENCE, WHICH IS THE ONE THIS FALL. SO I THINK THERE'S ALMOST NO QUESTION THAT THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN. AND IT SEEMS TO BE HAPPENING IN A WAY THIS YEAR THAT IS MORE SYSTEMATIC THAN IT HAS IN THE PAST. SO THAT'S DEEPLY, DEEPLY CONCERNING. I THINK THE GOOD NEWS IS IT'S CLEARLY ILLEGAL IN ALL OF THESE STATES AND THERE ARE STEPS THAT CAN BE TAKEN TO EFFECTIVELY HALT IT IN ALL OF THESE STATES. >> AND YOU SINGLE OUT SOME OF THOSE IN A WAY THAT I THINK IS VERY SUCCINCT AND HELPFUL. 8:01 YOU WRITE ABOUT STATE ELECTION BOARDS, SECRETARIES OF STATE, ATTORNEYS GENERAL, LOCAL PROSECUTORS SHOULD IN ADVANCE OF THE ELECTION EXPLICITLY TELL COUNTY OFFICIALS THAT THEY DO NOT HAVE DISCRETION TO REFUSE TO CERTIFY THE ELECTION. WARN THEM IN ADVANCE THEY MAY BY TREADING INTO CRIMINAL LAW TERRITORY IF THEY DO THIS. WE HAVE SEEN THAT HAPPEN IN A COUPLE STATES ALREADY. >> THAT'S RIGHT. IN MICHIGAN, THE SECRETARY OF STATE AND OTHER OFFICIALS HAVE BEEN VERY CLEAR THAT THE LAW PROVIDES FOR LEGITIMATE WAYS TO CHALLENGE ELECTIONS IF THERE ARE QUESTIONS ABOUT FRAUD OR QUESTIONS ABOUT THE COUNT. COUNTY CERTIFICATION IS NOT ONE OF THOSE WAYS. IT IS ESSENTIALLY A MINISTERIAL PROCESS. IT'S NOT A WAY TO CHALLENGE RESULTS. AND IN MICHIGAN, OFFICIALS HAVE TOLD THESE COUNTY OFFICIALS, YOU CAN'T DO THIS, AND IF YOU DO, THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES. AND I THINK THAT BOTH POTENTIALLY COULD DETER SOME OF THESE PEOPLE FROM TRYING THIS, AND IT ALSO PUTS THEM ON NOTICE, 9:01 SO THAT IF THEY DO TRY TO DISRUPT THE ELECTION, AND THEY ARE PROSECUTED OR THEY ARE CHALLENGED CIVILLY, THEY WON'T BE ABLE TO SAY THEY DIDN'T REALIZE THEY COULDN'T DO THIS. THAT'S SOMETHING WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE IN ALL OF THESE STATES. >> AND AGAIN, WE HAVE SEEN IT HAPPEN IN MICHIGAN. BUT WE HAVEN'T NECESSARILY SEEN THAT HAPPEN EVEN IN EVERY STATE WHERE IT HAS ALREADY BEEN TRIED. LET ALONE IN STATES WHERE OFFICIALS DON'T YET KNOW IF REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO TRY IT. IT DOES SEEM LIKE THERE ARE SORT OF DIFFERENT TACTICS LEGALLY AVAILABLE TO STATE OFFICIALS IN VARIOUS STATES. YOU CAN IN SOME CASES YOU COULD HAVE A COURT ESSENTIALLY ORDER PUBLIC OFFICIALS TO DO THIS. IN SOME STATES YOU CAN HAVE THE STATE ELECTION BOARD TAKE OVER THE JOB OF A COUNTY ELECTION OFFICIAL IF THEY'RE REFUSING TO DO THEIR JUB. IN OTHER PLACES YOU COULD HAVE A LOCAL OFFICIAL REMOVEDER. BUT THERE ISN'T THE SAME PLAYBOOK AVAILABLE LEGALLY IN EVERY STATE. IT DOES SEEM LIKE THE ONE THING THAT EVERY STATE COULD DO RIGHT NOW IS GIVE ADVICE TO EVERY 10:01 ELECTIONS BOARD IN THE STATE. GET IT ON RECORD TO EVERY ELECTIONS BOARD IN THE STATE THAT THEY SHOULD NOT DO THIS AND IT'S NOT WITHIN THEIR RIGHTS TO TRY IT. >> THAT'S ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. I MEAN, WE HAVE SEEN IN DIFFERENT STATES A NUMBER OF THESE DIFFERENT RESPONSES WORK. WE HAVE SEEN IN NEW MEXICO AND NEVADA WHERE THEY HAVE GONE TO COURT AND GOTTEN ORDERS TO ORDER THESE COUNTY OFFICIALS TO CERTIFY THE VOTE, AND THAT'S WORKED. BUT THE REASON WHY WE'RE PUTTING THIS REPORT OUT IS TO SAY, HERE'S THE LAW IN THIS STATE. HERE'S WHAT CAN BE DONE. SO THAT STATE OFFICIALS CAN GET OUT THERE AND WARN THESE FOLKS AND BE READY TO ACT. AND IN A LOT OF STATES I THINK THE SIGNS HAVE BEEN POSITIVE. IN A STATE LIKE GEORGIA, IT'S VERY ALARMING BECAUSE YOU HAVE THE STATE ELECTION BOARD GOING IN JUST THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION AND EVEN THOUGH THE LAW IS VERY CLEAR, YOU HAVE THE STATE ELECTION BOARD ACTUALLY TRYING TO SAY THAT COUNTY

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