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Brian Tyler Cohens: HUGE: Democrats defy history with unexpected SURPRISE


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Peter Burgess
HUGE: Democrats defy history with unexpected SURPRISE

Brian Tyler Cohen

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Aug 12, 2024

No Lie with Brian Tyler Cohen

No Lie podcast episode 224: Democrats are finally, actually winning the messaging war.

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Transcript
  • 0:00
  • today we're going to talk about
  • Democrats finally actually winning the
  • messaging war and I interview Pete Budaj
  • jedge about JD Vance's attacks on Tim
  • walls' military service Trump's
  • disastrous comments on KLA Harris's race
  • and he compares the joy of the Harris
  • campaign to the Doom and Gloom of the
  • Trump campaign and I'm joined by
  • historian and star substack writer
  • Heather Cox Richardson to discuss the
  • dangers of Trump's agenda and how
  • history shows us how that agenda will
  • lead us into autocracy I'm Brian Tyler
  • Cohen and you're watching no
  • [Music]
  • lie let's be clear for my entire career
  • in political media Democrats have not
  • only been losing the messaging War but
  • have been complaining about losing the
  • messaging War when you look back at the
  • days of Obamacare for example while
  • Democrats were trying to explain the
  • individual mandate and the implications
  • of the ACA and Medicare Part D you know
  • what Republicans were doing they were
  • claiming that it would lead to death
  • panels that's it death panels and you
  • 0:53
  • know what it was their narrative that
  • 0:54
  • stuck short pithy impactful the next
  • 0:57
  • elections after that would lead to
  • 0:59
  • perhap the most devastating results in

  • 1:01
  • living memory for Democrats by the time
  • Obama left office Democrats went from
  • controlling 27 state legislatures to
  • only 13 we lost 13 governorships and
  • 8816 State Legislative seats it was the
  • biggest loss in power since Eisenhower
  • cut two the Trump era we're still
  • getting killed at least for Trump's
  • audience his message is concise it's
  • catchy it's compelling build the wall
  • lock her up drain the swamp make America
  • great again all the while we're still
  • complaining about our inability to
  • message Biden comes along he wins in
  • 2020 uh very much on the back of
  • anti-trump sentiment but in 2024 he
  • again can't prosecute the case against
  • Trump even in the face of such
  • aggressively dismal policies by Donald
  • Trump The Narrative is so bad that the
  • only thing the media can focus on is
  • Biden's age our message clearly isn't
  • breaking through and then kamla Harris
  • and Tim Walls enter the scene they're
  • both articulate inspiring public
  • speakers who connect with normal people
  • because they communicate like normal

  • 2:01
  • people and suddenly it's the Democrats
  • who seemingly overnight learned how to
  • capture an audience with clear
  • catchphrases that Electrify tens of
  • thousands of people catchphrases like
  • we're not going back but we are not
  • going
  • back we are not going
  • back we not going back we're not going
  • back we are not going back
  • like when we fight we win and when we
  • fight we win God bless you and God bless
  • the United States of
  • America and even this one that only Tim
  • Walls can deliver in Minnesota we
  • respect our neighbors and their personal
  • choices that they
  • make even if we wouldn't make the same
  • choice for ourselves there's a golden

  • 3:01
  • rule mind your own damn
  • business and in fact one of the most
  • potent tools against Republicans is
  • actually the simplest one one that was
  • debuted by Tim Walls himself which is
  • that Republicans are just weird and
  • despite its Simplicity it does seem to
  • be the one that's getting under the skin
  • of these Republicans the most probably
  • because as they say a hit dog will
  • holler that attack has such legs that
  • according to the New York Times at an
  • August 2nd fundraiser for Trump when a
  • donor asked Trump about Democrats trying
  • to paint the Republican ticket as weird
  • Donald Trump replied not about me
  • they're saying that about JD dude didn't
  • even deny it he just deflected and then
  • threw his own running mate under the bus
  • so that we're clear that is not what you
  • do when the attack doesn't have legs
  • meanwhile Trump's best retort to the
  • messaging Juggernaut on the left well
  • he's claiming that Tim Wals is going
  • to unleash hell on Earth Tim Wals the

  • 4:02
  • high school social studies teacher the
  • guy who's best known for signing a bill
  • into law that would guarantee breakfast
  • and lunch for school children regardless
  • of income status right um good luck with
  • that one the fact is that our tent is
  • growing welcoming many of the
  • constituencies who Donald Trump himself
  • needs young people rural Americans
  • teachers union workers blue collar
  • workers military members Republicans who
  • have chosen to prioritize our democracy
  • no fake outs or recycled lies about
  • about audience sizes or feigned Big Boy
  • confidence is going to change that
  • granted that doesn't mean we can sit
  • back and exhale we still have less than
  • three months and everybody needs to do
  • their part the next three months will be
  • impossible to forecast although I guess
  • it's safe to say it's probably going to
  • be kind of weird but none of that should
  • distract us from the potential of
  • electing kamla Harris and Tim wals who
  • are fearless bully Fighters happy
  • Warriors and effectively the living
  • embodiment of the promise of America so
  • our job is to make sure we get to work

  • 5:01
  • because when we fight well you know
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  • video thank you so much everybody okay
  • here are previews of my interviews with
  • Pete budajudge and Heather Cox
  • Richardson what was your reaction action
  • to Vance qualifying the value of waltz's

  • 6:02
  • 24-year military service to this country
  • yeah this is just not something that
  • service members ordinarily do uh toward
  • other service members uh there's some
  • notable exceptions including the
  • disgraceful Swift booat attacks against
  • John Kerry which were not going to allow
  • to happen again especially because Tim
  • wall served honorably he served for 24
  • years in the military you can retire at
  • 20 years Tim Walls served for 2 which
  • I'm pretty sure is longer that JD Vance
  • had been alive when he finished his tour
  • none of us are saying bad things about
  • JD Vance's Service uh we're we're
  • talking about uh a campaign that not
  • only is building up our candidates uh
  • and why we believe in in K Harris and
  • Tim Walls but most importantly talking
  • about what this campaign means for
  • people in their lives and I think that's
  • the other really interesting an
  • important thing to talk about uh it's
  • not just that Tim wall served and by all
  • accounts was a very good soldier and

  • 7:00
  • non-commissioned officer is that after
  • that he went on to lead the Veterans
  • Affairs Committee in the house and make
  • veterans better off on things like
  • mental health and suicide prevention so
  • uh it's it's just it's it's unsurprising
  • and yet still somehow disappointing that
  • the only thing they can think to do is
  • uh is to go after his service but maybe
  • the upshot of it is it's going to remind
  • everybody uh and educate everybody about
  • the fact that Tim Walls is a veteran who
  • served 24 years in the mil
  • it also seems to have escaped JD Vance
  • that his own running mate did the thing
  • that Vance is wrongly accusing Tim WS of
  • doing which is evading his service so do
  • you think that maybe JD Vance forgot
  • that Donald Trump very famously found
  • some podiatrist somewhere to say that he
  • had bone bone spurs to ensure that he
  • wouldn't serve a single day in the
  • military yeah the contrast couldn't be
  • clear uh look uh you know both Tim Walls
  • and JD Vance uh came from ordinary
  • beginnings and served in the military uh
  • Donald Trump on the other hand uh used

  • 8:00
  • his status as a
  • multi-millionaire from the day he was
  • born to be able to it would appear uh
  • purchase a doctor's note that allowed
  • him to fake a disability so that he
  • could claim to be unable to go serve and
  • I imagine some uh middle class or
  • working class kid went in his place who
  • wasn't Rich enough to pull those kinds
  • of strengths um that's exactly uh the
  • point they they they don't want to talk
  • about that they definitely don't want to
  • talk about their ideas uh for America or
  • Americans so they do what they always do
  • which is just to tear tear down tear up
  • and uh and do whatever is most
  • outrageous any given day so that they
  • don't have to defend things like what
  • their policies would mean for veterans
  • which I think would be a lot of uh a lot
  • of cuts to services and more generally
  • their deeply unpopular policies like tax
  • cuts for the rich and uh and continuing
  • to uh destroy a woman's right to choose
  • Donald Trump's plan if he wins the
  • election is to consolidate power into
  • the executive branch in my opinion the

  • 9:01
  • most chilling part of project 2025 for
  • example is the reclassification of
  • career civil servants in our
  • government's Workforce into political
  • appointees and that would effectively
  • turn the entire government the IRS the
  • FBI the doj the FCC into a tool of
  • Trump's political interests so this may
  • all feel new for us but I'm curious as
  • to whether there is precedent in history
  • where for example leaders engaged in
  • similar tactics and what happen to that
  • system of government in those instances
  • so for example did those countries then
  • descend into autocracy well there are
  • comparisons in other countries for sure
  • project 2025 which is the project that's
  • been embraced by the Trump admin uh by
  • the the Trump Vance
  • campaign uh deliberately Builds on what
  • Victor Orban has done in Hungary where
  • he took a democracy and he overturned it
  • by concentrating power in his own hands
  • now one of the things about project 2025
  • is that it talks about civil servants
  • and turning them into loyalists for

  • 10:00
  • trump it also talks about taking over
  • the Department of Justice and ceasing to
  • honor the rule of law and instead having
  • people in the Department of Justice who
  • do what Trump wants them to it also
  • talks about the military so the idea is
  • to concentrate all of those positions of
  • power in our society in the hands of one
  • person now if you look at Hungary modern
  • Hungary under Victor orbon he did
  • something very similar with the idea
  • quite explicitly of destroying democracy
  • and creating what he called illiberal
  • democracy or Christian democracy a world
  • in which a few usually white
  • heteronormative men controlled the lives
  • of women racial and ethnic minorities
  • and gender minorities in order to return
  • what they considered a traditional
  • worldview to their country now this has
  • really never happened in the United
  • States before and one of the things that
  • I think is important when you think
  • about project 2025 is to think of it in
  • tandem with the July 1 2024 Supreme

  • 11:00
  • Court decision in Donald J Trump versus
  • United States in which today's radical
  • Supreme Court overturned the very rule
  • of law in the United States of America
  • to say that one man is above the rule of
  • law and that's the president of the
  • United States who who it said cannot be
  • indicted or prosecuted for crimes
  • committed as part of his official duties
  • now we've never had this in the United
  • States before but we have had something
  • really similar that may surprise people
  • and that's that if you think about what
  • happened in the American South from
  • about 1874 to about
  • 1965 we had a one-party region that
  • essentially had overturned democracy and
  • was ruled by a very small group of
  • people and in that American South
  • essentially the states and the state
  • legislator decided how people would live
  • within those States they passed their
  • laws that discriminated against people
  • of color black Americans and certainly
  • discriminated against women and at the
  • same time time the way that that played

  • 12:00
  • out on the ground was that Capital fled
  • the region because there was no point in
  • trying to invest in a factory for
  • example in the American South if who you
  • knew was how would determine how well
  • that factory would do and similarly even
  • white Americans who theoretically would
  • be privileged by this system uh their
  • lives too depended on who they knew and
  • so well we haven't seen the attempt at a
  • national level to concentrate power in
  • one single person in the United States
  • we have seen how the idea of a onep
  • party system plays out and it played out
  • in the American South in a way that
  • really destroyed the economy and
  • destroyed equality to see the full
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