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THE TRUMP SAGA ARIZONA ?? Brian Tyler Cohen: BOMBSHELL: Grand jury sought to INDICT Trump in NEW case PLAY YOUTUBE VIDEO Original article: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=435Z1oXCrx8 Peter Burgess COMMENTARY Peter Burgess
BOMBSHELL: Grand jury sought to INDICT Trump in NEW case Brian Tyler Cohen Aug 10, 2024 3.05M subscribers ... 1,185,440 views ... 62K likes The Legal Breakdown with Glenn Kirschner The Legal Breakdown episode 351: ‪@GlennKirschner2‬ discusses the Arizona grand jury's willingness to indict Trump. Order my new book SHAMELESS: https://www.harpercollins.com/pages/s... Subscribe for more and follow me here: YouTube (español): / @briantylercohenespanol Apple Podcasts: https://apple.co/36UvEHs Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0066rKC... 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minutes talking about what those reasons are that a prosecutor might tell a grand jury a grand jury who is sitting there to decide who should be indicted as part of Donald Trump's corrupt scheme to you know basically Rob the people of Ariz Iona of their votes 1:02 in the presidential election in 2020 the same thing that happened down in Georgia for which Donald Trump is indicted you know there are some reasons that a prosecutor might say hold up hold up so let's talk a little bit about the grand jury and and what is involved so first of all a grand jury investigation really is the grand jury's investigation believe it or not Brian it's not the prosecutor's investigation now when I was a prosecutor I exercised the power an authority of the the grand jury I would take grand jury subpoenas I would issue them to Witnesses those Witnesses would appear and testify before the grand jury and then after all of the evidence was presented not just Witnesses but documents and photographs and physical evidence and forensic test results Etc after it was all presented the prosecutors make recommendations to the Grand jurors about who we believe should be indicted in accordance with the evidence that has been presented to the grand jury now 18 defendants were 2:02 indicted by that Arizona Grand Jury including people like Rudy Giuliani Mark Meadows Jenna Ellis there's two of Donald Trump's dirty lawyers right there Rudy and Jenna and of course Mark Meadows was his former Chief of Staff and then 15 other defendants and now we know based on the reporting the grand juror said oh oh oh and we want to Indi Trump because there's enough evidence to do that so first of all in order to indict any body you the prosecutors have to be convinced that one there is probable cause in the evidence that was introduced to the grand jury probable cause is a pretty low evidentiary standard believe it or not it's about 50% of the evidence really it's a tick below 50% of the evidence but for a prosecutor to be comfortable that inditing somebody is the right thing to do you've made out probable cause we also have to have a reasonable belief that when we get to trial we will have 3:01 been able to build that evidence to proof Beyond A Reasonable Doubt and it's a huge chasm in the burden of proof the evidentiary hurdle we have to overcome to make out probable cause versus to make out proof Beyond A Reasonable Doubt so sometimes when you have bare probable cause as a prosecutor you might say you know what folks I know we have bare probable cause here but we're going to recommend you don't indict one of the 18 or 19 defendants that we've been investigating because we're not quite there yet on the evidence so that is one possibility and here's the thing um there was a line in the reporting I think it was from CNN that said um when these records were disclosed about what had gone on in the grand jury pursuant to some litigation in Arizona um the prosecutors told the grand jury the following they said you know what we might not quite be there yet on the evidence implicating Donald Trump in these crimes I think that 4:02 speaks volumes it sounds like the 4:05 prosecutors told the grand jurors listen 4:07 we hear you that you think there's 4:08 enough to indict Donald Trump but 4:10 there's a lot that goes into indicting a 4:12 former president and we're not sure 4:14 we're quite there yet but you know what 4:18 there has been a recent development 4:19 literally in recent days that might 4:22 change the prosecutor's calculation on 4:24 that very question because one of Donald 4:27 Trump's lawyers Jenna Ellis decided to 4:30 cooperate she flipped and she promised 4:33 in writing in an agreement with the 4:35 prosecutors to testify fully truthfully 4:38 and accurately against Donald Trump Rudy 4:40 Giuliani Mark Meadows and all of the 4:42 other remaining defendants in the 4:44 Arizona case now if they if the 4:47 prosecutors told the grand jury to hold 4:49 up a minute because they thought maybe 4:52 we wanted to strengthen our case a 4:53 little bit against Donald Trump well 4:55 they may now have the evidence that they 4:57 believed they needed and there's no 5:00 reason they can't go back before a grand jury and now return an indictment against Donald Trump at least that's kind of what I'm looking for as I read the tea leaves okay so a few questions to dive into here but first uh just a quick note for our legal breakdown viewers um we've done over 350 episodes so far uh just wanted to ask for a small favor I have a book coming out in a few days here called Shameless uh it's available for pre-order right now if you're looking for a way to support our work of course and I will never put our content behind a pay wall or anything like that and we won't take sponsors but a good way to support uh my work right now is to pre-order Shameless so I'll put the link right here on this screen and also in the post description of this video um very proud of the way it turned out Jamie Raskin wrote the forw for it includes interviews and insights from from Pete Budaj jedge Jen saki Mark Elias Al Franken and a number of others so uh again if you're looking just for a small a small way to to help me out that would be uh that would be very greatly appreciated Okay so Glenn is this the 6:00 kind of thing where these prosecutors may very well be waiting for a conviction for the for the those who are currently indicted those 18 uh indicted codefendants and then they could use those convictions eventually to help them with an indictment against Donald 6:16 Trump you know that's a possibility 6:18 listen all of the prosecutors are 6:20 playing the long game when it comes to 6:23 Prosecuting Donald Trump and all of the 6:26 other ruling class criminals you know 6:28 the the upper Echelon of this criminal 6:31 scheme not just the fake electors who 6:34 are kind of the flunkies of Donald 6:35 Trump's criminal attempt to steal the 6:38 presidential election but the mark 6:39 Meadows the Rudy giulian the John 6:41 Eastman's the Jeffrey Clarks the the 6:44 Sydney pows and the Kenneth chesbros 6:47 those characters it could very well be 6:50 that the the prosecutors will make the 6:53 decision okay we're going to take these 6:55 other folks to trial we're going to get 6:57 them convicted and here's the thing that 6:59 people might not be aware of you know I 7:03 when I was a prosecutor I went hard 7:05 after cooperating Witnesses when 7:07 somebody had committed a crime and I 7:09 believed I could prove it but I knew 7:11 they had evidence that they could give 7:12 me against the bigger criminal fish in a 7:15 conspiracy or in a criminal Enterprise I 7:17 went hard after those cooperating 7:20 Witnesses and sometimes they said nope 7:22 I'm not pleading I'm not going to flip 7:24 I'm not going to go against the deao mob 7:27 boss the bigger criminal fish so I would 7:29 say fine 7:30 I'm going to give you a fair trial Brian 7:32 I'd take them to trial I'd get them 7:34 convicted most of the time not all of 7:36 the time I lost my share of cases over 7:38 my 30 years as a prosecutor but after I 7:40 got them convicted and now they were 7:42 concretely maybe facing 20 or 30 years 7:45 in prison before they were sentenced I 7:49 stepped back to them with their lawyer 7:51 and I said well you went to trial that 7:53 didn't work out so good for you sport 7:55 but guess what it's your lucky day 7:58 because the window of Cooper is still 8:00 open this much you're not going to get 8:02 as much of a benefit as you would have 8:04 if you'd come on board before I had to 8:07 take you to trial and convict you but I 8:09 can still perhaps shave 10 years off 8:12 your sentence I can ask the judge to 8:14 reduce it if you cooperate now better 8:17 late than never do the right thing and 8:19 Brian sometimes that had the desired 8:22 effect and people would come on board 8:24 even after they were convicted of their 8:26 crimes and I would never you know say 8:29 hey I had to take you to trial you're 8:30 not getting anything from me no I always 8:33 kept my eye on the Justice ball because 8:34 I wanted the biggest criminal fish the 8:37 evidence could get us so listen it may 8:40 be that some of the prosecutors are sort 8:43 of following that Playbook they'll take 8:45 these people to trial and then they'll 8:46 step back to them and try to bring them 8:48 on board or one other thing at the risk 8:50 of running on turning this into a you 8:52 know a criminal law class um the other 8:55 thing that prosecutors can do is they 8:57 can take somebody to trial they can 8:58 convict them and once they're sentenced 9:01 guess what their rights against self-incrimination are basically at an end now they retain their right against self-incrimination during the appeal but at that point the prosecutor can just give them immunity because they've already been tried and you can force that person to become a cooperating witness even though they don't get any benefit out of their cooperation so there is more than one way to skin the Justice cat and maybe some of the prosec compers are playing that long game all right so we obviously have some Silver Linings here both with a grand jury that already seems willing to indict Donald Trump as well as the prospect that as many as 18 uh possible convictions could result in flipped defendants uh in terms of helping the prosecutors ultimately get to Donald Trump in the end so uh keep an eye on what's happening in Arizona it's going to be a big story in the coming months here so Glenn and I will of course continue to stay on top of this as well as the other prosecutions that Trump is contending with right now if you want to follow 10:00 along please make sure to subscribe put the links to both of our channels right here on the screen by the way Glenn is fast approaching a million subscribers if you are not yet subscribed to his Channel please go ahead and click the Subscribe button right here on the screen I'm Brian teller Cohen and I'm Glenn kersner you're watching the legal breakdown [Music]

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