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Occupy LA getting ready for an eviction deadline

November 27 ... Occupy LA does not plan on quitting, no matter what the authorities do to get them to move

COMMENTARY
The article is quite sane ... even though the website is one that is supported by or affiliated with Glen Beck. However, the comments are pure vitriol, which I find very dusturbing. Some of the comments are also included following the article.

I have great respect for the freedom of speech, freedom of assembly, a free media and so on ... but I am concerned about the commecial distribution of misinformation, what appears to be the stock in trade of some of the news channels that are owned by corporate interests, and a common tactic in political advertising. While it may be an worthwhile freedom to allow any single individual to say what he/she wants to say, but it is an abuse of this freedom when misinformation is mass marketed into society. In my view this is an evil which should be regulated.

With regard to the Occupy LA camp, it is to be hoped that they do not get evicted ... but if they do it is only the end of Chapter 1, and then begines Chapter 2. The camp is symbolic ... but the idea behind the camp is real, and the idea may have to relocate, but in my view each time the idea is moved it gains in strength out of all proportion to the effort expended to close the camp location down.

Today (November 27, 2011) Zuccotti Park is a shadow of its former self in terms of a camping presence ... but the idea that had expression in the Zuccotti Park camp is now spread into hundreds, if not thousands of locations in the USA and around the world. I am fairly certain the 'authorities' and the infamous 1% do not 'get it' yet, but there are a huge number of ordinary folk who do. At the moment in the US democracy money outranks people, but I am sure that will change over the next few months, and at some point the laws will get changed so that bad things get to be punished with the full force of law as the US Constitution promises.
Peter Burgess

‘DRAG ME AWAY’: OCCUPY LA PROTESTERS SAY THEY’RE NOT LEAVING

IMAGE A man clears his belongings from a tent at the Occupy LA site in front of City Hall in downtown Los Angeles on Thursday. Despite the mayor's eviction order, many protesters said they have no plans to leave their encampment. (Photo credit: AFP)

LOS ANGELES (The Blaze/AP) — Facing a midnight deadline to vacate the City Hall lawn where they’ve taken up residence, many Occupy LA protesters say they have no plans to leave.

With hours left before the 12:01 a.m. Monday deadline Los Angeles Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa and the city police chief gave Friday, very few of the occupiers were packing, and many were instead were making plans for what to do when they stay.

Some handed out signs Saturday mocked up to look like the city’s notices to vacate, advertising a Monday morning “eviction block party.”

Dozens attended a teach-in on resistance tactics, including how stay safe in the face of rubber bullets, tear gas canisters and pepper spray.

Police gave few specifics about what tactics they would use if protesters ignored the deadline.

Chief Charlie Beck said at Friday’s news conference that officers would definitely not be sweeping through the camp and arresting everyone just after midnight.

In an interview with the Los Angeles Times published Sunday, Beck said that despite the lack of confrontations in the camp’s two-month run, he’s realistic about what might happen.

“I have no illusions that everybody is going to leave,” Beck said. “We anticipate that we will have to make arrests.”

But he added, “We certainly will not be the first ones to apply force.”

Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck has not provided details of how officers will handle Occupy LA eviction stragglers, but said there will not be mass arrests at midnight. (Image source: Los Angeles Times)

Villaraigosa announced Friday that despite his sympathy for the protesters’ cause, it was time for the camp of nearly 500 tents to leave for the sake of public health and safety.

The mayor said the movement is at a “crossroads,“ and it must ”move from holding a particular patch of park to spreading the message of economic justice.”

But occupiers showed no signs of giving up the patch of park too easily.

Will Picard, who sat Saturday in a tent amid his artwork with a “notice of eviction” sign posted outside, said the main organizers and most occupiers he knows intend to stay.

“Their plan is to resist the closure of this encampment and if that means getting arrested so be it,” Picard said. “I think they just want to make the police tear it down rather than tear it down themselves.”

But some agreed with the mayor that the protest had run its course.

“I’m going,” said Luke Hagerman, who sat looking sad and resigned in the tent he’s stayed in for a month. “I wish we could have got more done.”

Villaraigosa expressed pride that Los Angeles has lacked the tension, confrontation and violence seen at similar protests in other cities. But that peace was likely to get its biggest test on Monday.

Ue Daniels, 21, said as an artist he’s “as nonviolent as they come” but he planned on resisting removal any way he could.

“I think we’ll comply as far as putting our tents on the sidewalk maybe, that‘s something that’s been going around.”

But as far as leaving altogether?

“They would probably have to drag me away,” he said.


Comments

CJA23 Posted on November 27, 2011 at 3:11pm Obama/Soros/Trumpka occupoopers haven’t got their new marching orders from the WH yet. What‘s Obama’s next instructions to the occupoopers.

TXBIGFOOT Posted on November 27, 2011 at 4:04pm I say arrest them and then charge them with a % of the cost for all of this nonsense. An arrest and conviction equals 30K or what ever. Have a nice life.. oh you cant pay.. good then go to jail.

JOHN 1776 Posted on November 27, 2011 at 4:14pm They should simply open a few fire hoses up. Not in spray mode, but just flood the lot and make it a muddy mess. Grass looks like it needs watering anyhow. Most would leave. A few would stay splashing in the mud. Those would be easy to spot and arrest and the “imaging” wouldn’t look good for the protesters unless their fans are into mud wrestling.

PKAMA Posted on November 27, 2011 at 5:20pm Where are the police horses when you need them. There is not a crowd control method more effective than having the police officers ride in on horses and we will see these dirty low lives scatter on their own without the police officers getting themselves hurt.

AXELPHANTOM Posted on November 27, 2011 at 3:08pm In some occupy movements they have resorted to paying homeless people to occupy just so that it looks like there are some numbers. The occupation is dying out and if they don’t up the ante, it will go out with a wimper. Look for something to be done that will grab media attention, if not here, then somewhere soon. Log in to Reply DMFORMAN Posted on November 27, 2011 at 3:37pm I agree. I am waiting for the violence to begin soon. They have realized that they are not making the impact that the Tea Party made and need to up the anty to get people to notice. I hope that they realize that violence is not going to sway people to their side and will hurt them further in many parts of America. DALADY Posted on November 27, 2011 at 3:05pm Maybe union thugs will show up to escalate tension like they did at the eviction of Occupy Toronto. I wouldn’t mind seeing a few of those goons get thumped. NOBAMA 2012 Log in to Reply NELBERT Posted on November 27, 2011 at 3:03pm Don’t evict them. Cut the water and electricity to the area, wall it up and prevent them from ever leaving. Log in to Reply CATB Posted on November 27, 2011 at 3:51pm They are squatters .. dirty ones at that .. doubt that would do anything except drive them into the local businesses even more .. that is who they are hurting. If they really gave a “d* mn” about what they claim they do they would be squatting outside the White House. TEA! NELBERT Posted on November 27, 2011 at 3:01pm Don’t evict them. Cut the water and electricity to their area, wall it up and prevent them from ever leaving. Log in to Reply SECESSIONISTA Posted on November 27, 2011 at 2:58pm Tell me again why we can’t use real bullets this time? And a sneak attack? You know, the same way we killed that US marine in Arizona? Log in to Reply GREEN_MANALISHI Posted on November 27, 2011 at 6:43pm The police have a secret weapon theyve been dieing to try, it called soap and water and its been proven to remove occupiers since time began. I hear there holding back a really nasty weapon that smells just like hard work but it kill 99% of occupiers BRINGITON Posted on November 27, 2011 at 2:58pm It’s California. The people voted in the govt. they deserve, even the “law abiding citizens” F them. Log in to Reply CONVICTOBAMA Posted on November 27, 2011 at 3:47pm Hey man just bcuz we live in CA doesnt mean we drink the koolaide… Ca will go ble be patient, we are broke and infested with non tax payers we will wake up. CONVICTOBAMA Posted on November 27, 2011 at 3:49pm Hey I didnt vote for moonbeam jerry commie brown… GARYM Posted on November 27, 2011 at 2:51pm The police need to get some high voltage cattle prods! Let them sit there as long as they can take the prod! Let PETA complain about being bad to the animals! Log in to Reply JAGR1850 Posted on November 27, 2011 at 2:51pm send all those morons to visit 1600 pennsylvania ave for a big beer summit……problems solved !!!! Log in to Reply GEORGENE Posted on November 27, 2011 at 2:48pm We should feel sorry for these poor uninformed fools. There they are doing the dirty work for Soros and Obama, ( the Socialist and the Muslim) trying to take our mind off the p poor job Obama is doing. Log in to Reply JAKARTAMAN Posted on November 27, 2011 at 2:45pm I personally would not touch one of these disease ridden slim-balls. I would however water hose the sh-t out of them – for two reasons 1) to get rid of them – they use this method to flush out rats too! 2) give them a good cleaning to prevent further spread of diseases Log in to Reply DMFORMAN Posted on November 27, 2011 at 3:39pm I keep wondering why they don’t use the water hoses on these people. They aren’t preparing for that and it would catch them off guard. CATB Posted on November 27, 2011 at 3:52pm Don’t forget to add some SOAP to that water! TEA! DRATTASTIC Posted on November 27, 2011 at 2:44pm Anybody want to wager that Villaraigosa will fold ? Log in to Reply ELIASIM Posted on November 27, 2011 at 2:58pm No, because you are probably right. This is all designed to make the police feel weak and ineffective in my opinion. To make a policeman think “I’m sick of being a policeman”, and as for when things become more difficult, and maybe perhaps police are financially struggling, then they will easily quit the force. DRATTASTIC Posted on November 27, 2011 at 3:11pm Politicians will order the police to enforce the law ,then turn on the police and order investigations as soon as the media starts crying foul. Politicians are the lowest form of life, well it’s a lively contest between politicians ,the press and lawyers. I don’t envy the police and the position they are in. LEADNOTFOLLOW Posted on November 27, 2011 at 2:44pm It’s time to break up their “block party”. Drag them away. They are spoiling the Holiday Season for the good, law abiding citizens. Log in to Reply SNOWLEOPARD {GALLERY OF CAT FOLKS} Posted on November 27, 2011 at 2:42pm Those who leave willingly fine, those who remain at 12:01 a.m. then warn once, and move in right after that warning…all resistance is to be met with arrests. Log in to Reply UNIX Posted on November 27, 2011 at 4:13pm LOL, all resistance is futile…I say we smoke em out, then scoop them up with front end loaders and drop off at the dump, that’s where they belong. BRO GEO TOO Posted on November 27, 2011 at 2:42pm ` If you know an Occupier/Squatter, please pass this along. It is the key to a brighter future. Thanks. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAOrT0OcHh0&feature=feedu Log in to Reply ARIZONA DON Posted on November 27, 2011 at 3:16pm Very good I liked that. That is a perspective I had not considered before but I think it has merit. However, I do not think it would be that easy. Three and a half days may not be enough. But learn they should. I also think the future for these OWS’ers is going to provide much harder lessons, if obama is reelected, then prescribed in that video. Especially if they do manage to get their way, which I think is impossible or at least next to impossible. The perception that these occupy “whatever” demonstrators have a single focus of any problem is ludicrous at best. There is no structure to their madness. THEVOICE Posted on November 27, 2011 at 2:41pm Why have them leave just fence them in …With a electric fence and guards not to let them out. . Hey their choice. No food no water nothing …Then see how prepared the Obama Occupy new age progressive communist are … Log in to Reply SNOWLEOPARD {GALLERY OF CAT FOLKS} Posted on November 27, 2011 at 2:43pm It would be a nice plan…however some of those bleeding heated, liberal progressive communist justices would side with the protesters. LUKERW Posted on November 27, 2011 at 2:37pm They are all Guilty… of Stealing Money… by making the Local Government pay for their Clean Up, Destruction, and Security… as a Matter of Equity! Log in to Reply MOMRULES Posted on November 27, 2011 at 2:37pm Why should they feel as if they should leave? After all,they do have the Presidential Seal of Approval. Log in to Reply TRUTHSEEKERUSA Posted on November 27, 2011 at 2:33pm Mayor should have shut them down on the first day they set up camp. Now he will be spending money on extra police that should be better spent on the thousands of poor people in LA, especially those who may not have enough money for food. Log in to Reply NETMAIL Posted on November 27, 2011 at 2:32pm I smell a new protest song in the works: ‘Drag me Away’. I am writing one myself now entitled: ‘OK, we will’. (I’m dialing an oldie up by The Buckinghams, ‘Kind of a Drag’ for inspiration.) Log in to Reply SEEKER9 Posted on November 27, 2011 at 2:41pm Reminds me of “They’re coming to take me away, ha ha”. Slightly altered it could be “They’re coming to drag me away, ha ha”. RIGHTTHINKING1 Posted on November 27, 2011 at 6:00pm Rofl…, you guys kill me. CSINNM Posted on November 27, 2011 at 2:29pm buh bye! Log in to Reply MJR Posted on November 27, 2011 at 2:28pm I can’t wait for the next group to try the same thing, see if the city council will be treat them the same. Log in to Reply WAR7412 Posted on November 27, 2011 at 2:28pm Well.Drag them AWAY then…………. Log in to Reply SHOWMERANCHER Posted on November 27, 2011 at 2:20pm Well now, here’s an opportunity where we can be accommodating. Y‘all hook ’em up and I‘ll drag ’em away with my 4X4. Log in to Reply UECHI Posted on November 27, 2011 at 2:19pm My your wish come true, hopefully attached to a long length of rope on a semi and the other on your neck. Log in to Reply 1 2 3 Next » Order By:


: ZMAN61 Posted on November 27, 2011 at 6:24pm So this coming year when the Tea Party gets back into political action THere should be no requirement to pay for permits, follow any laws clean up their own mess or provide money to pay for porta toilets since none of these people have done any of the above. We should just show up in any numbers we deem necessary and stay as long as we like. We should “occupy” any real estate we deem necessary private or public and not leave until we get what we want. Log in to Reply RICHNGADSDEN Posted on November 27, 2011 at 6:19pm Occupiers, thanks for that invitation. Now you know what to expect. Log in to Reply BJORNSKIS Posted on November 27, 2011 at 5:20pm fire hoses simple and effective Log in to Reply CAPITALISMROCKS Posted on November 27, 2011 at 5:07pm Arrest and levy heavy fines to cover clean up and police costs, then give them all 100‘s of hours each of community service so they don’t have free time to occupy, make them clean, plant, scoop poop, clean bathrooms, fix everything they’ve broken or ruined and make them give back to the community Log in to Reply MBRIZ Posted on November 27, 2011 at 5:03pm Power to the people! Stop misrepresenting the facts about OWS to suite your twisted agenda, haters, and hypocrites. Log in to Reply CAPITALISMROCKS Posted on November 27, 2011 at 5:09pm No one has to twist anything…. The fleabaggers freak shows, violence, drugs, filthy, mentally ill health actions all speak volumes for themselves RIGHTTHINKING1 Posted on November 27, 2011 at 6:15pm @MBRIZ Well, you see, ‘the people’ have spoken, via their representatives, and put in place certain rules and statutes necessary to insure civil behavior, public safety, public health & etc. The problem with your OWS folk ( who incidentally do not represent even a tiny fraction of the population, let alone ‘99%’) is that they are ignoring those rules in a hissy fit of childish ideological self-indulgence, thereby causing annoyance to the rest of us, as well necessitating the outlay of millions of dollars to remediate the physical damage, clean up the garbage, and pay for police overtime. Get it? BARNSY Posted on November 27, 2011 at 6:33pm Funny how the left and mainstream media tried like hell to “misrepresent” the tea party.Boy they went all out to find proof of racism and violence.They found very little ,and the movement was much larger than OWS. There are hundreds of hours of video and audio showing the degenerate behavior of OWS.How many arrests at OWS vs Tea Party? How much of a mess was left by OWS vs Tea party?Now who is really being misrepresented? BREM Posted on November 27, 2011 at 5:03pm When I visited LA 30 years ago, there were jerks living in the parks then also. Now the only difference is that Obama has officially approved this practice Log in to Reply ALRUNNER58 Posted on November 27, 2011 at 4:57pm California’s problem, along with the other cities that didn’t take action right away. Log in to Reply RIPPLE EFFECT Posted on November 27, 2011 at 4:55pm The idiot mayor gave them time to gather the aclu,seiu, and to migrate from Oakland and other God forsaken places. There will be a fight tonight. I suggest to wait till midnight and just turn on all the sprinklers and all the firehoses and water cannons that can be mustered. They are all a bunch of hosers so lets treat as such. Maybe even throw in some bars of soap though I doubt the fleabaggers would know what to do with them Log in to Reply BARNSY Posted on November 27, 2011 at 4:47pm Why are these fools protesting? 1.They are board.They dont have to work hard or strugle to live.The result is idle time to demonstrate for a perceived cause none can articulate intellegently.2.Basic ignorance.Our education system has failed.They are not taught history.They are clueless about basic economics.Socialism is glorified while Capitalism is demonized.3.An entitlement mentality.Young people are taught that society owes them a living.They believe they should be provided a high paying job right out of school with no prior experience.They refuse entry level jobs.They believe they should be provided free college,free medical,free housing and the list of demands continue. We have allowed one(maybe two)generations to be set up for failure.Personally im very worried if these nitwits are the furture of America. Log in to Reply BARNSY Posted on November 27, 2011 at 6:10pm Sorry about the typos.I should have proofread the post! PSYCHOSIS Posted on November 27, 2011 at 4:43pm bring out the lrads and make sure they are turned on high Log in to Reply UPSTATENYCONSERVATIVE Posted on November 27, 2011 at 4:35pm Free speech is one thing. But when you block traffic, impede my way to a store to peaceably conduct my personal business, and try keeping me from getting to my job on time, you have seriously overstepped. Your rights, you liberals, stop short of the tip of my nose. And that’s really all these jokers have been: an impediment to average people trying to go about their daily business without offense to or imposition on anyone else. Wall Street isn’t listening to these self-centered money-grubbing bunch of thuggish gimme hooligans. Do they really think that working man or woman is going to give them any heed? The people at my job don’t have college degrees for the most part, but they pay their bills on time and come to the job every day, well before the shift starts. Who do these pissant protesters think they are, when I have friends who can blow them out of the water with a single breath? Pfft! If for a second I thought these brats had a legitimate point, but by their own actions, I would turn against them like a maddened rabid dog. Log in to Reply FLYGUYNC Posted on November 27, 2011 at 4:30pm If they don’t leave, it’s time for the hickory shampoo! Log in to Reply OLDSCHOOLGREEN Posted on November 27, 2011 at 4:28pm Okay drag them away. Whats the problem? Log in to Reply RONALDREAGANTHEGREAT Posted on November 27, 2011 at 4:20pm Arrest all of them and charge them a massive fee for the expense they have cost the city of LA! Tea:-) Log in to Reply UNCLEBUCKY Posted on November 27, 2011 at 3:55pm Turn the sprinklers on at 12:01am…all that grass under those tents is turning brown…then bring in a few water trucks to clean the sidewalks. Log in to Reply U.S. NAVY VETERAN Posted on November 27, 2011 at 3:51pm I wonder how many dirty hypodermic needles those poor sanitation workers are going to find when they clean up that pigsty tomorrow morning… Log in to Reply RONALDREAGANTHEGREAT Posted on November 27, 2011 at 4:21pm Yep and its disgusting!!!!!!!!!! TITAINIUMMAN Posted on November 27, 2011 at 3:44pm steamroller first then bulldozer Log in to Reply TITAINIUMMAN Posted on November 27, 2011 at 3:44pm Those that refuse to leave at the deadline should be arrested and be required to pay all court costs and the cost off any overtime paid to the police department Log in to Reply AKDOCFMF Posted on November 27, 2011 at 3:42pm Four words; Bulldozer, followed by steamroller! They’ll move… Log in to Reply SMOKEYRIDGERUNNER Posted on November 27, 2011 at 3:38pm Give them 2 years hard labor. Log in to Reply 1CASAWIZARD Posted on November 27, 2011 at 3:31pm I don‘t know about you but I’m tired of seeing this useless protest get this much coverage. Every day there are as many reporters as protesters covering this mess. If barry gets reelected and WE take to the streets I doubt we’d get this much publicity even we would number in the hundreds of thousands. Log in to Reply SBENARD Posted on November 27, 2011 at 3:26pm Haul their hind ends to Santa Cruz and leave them there! Log in to Reply AFFINNITY Posted on November 27, 2011 at 3:25pm Leave what? Liberals living in tents in the busy downtown of a liberal city makes perfect sense. If they hang around long enough they can help organize next years annual Gay Rights Parade. Log in to Reply CJA23 Posted on November 27, 2011 at 3:16pm How many millions of taxpayer dollars has it reached to protect the public from these anarchists? Meanwhile, back on the ranch, Obama is in full support of these dopes, only because he is “the rebel rouser-in-chief” behind the whole mess. Log in to Reply TKELLY33 Posted on November 27, 2011 at 3:15pm Bring in a Caterpillar D9 and plow them the hell out. Move or get crushed you dumbF%. Log in to Reply « Previous 1 2 3 Next » Order By:
der By: XPILOTAH1S Posted on November 27, 2011 at 8:12pm Just allow the septic trucks to dump or spray their loads in the area, it might make the area smell alot cleaner than the current crap laying there……….. Log in to Reply BARACK MUST GO Posted on November 27, 2011 at 8:06pm Their leader, Barack Hussein Obama the ll must be arrested and held in prison until each & every one of his ‘ dirtbags in arms ’ all across America disband for good. If one lone dirbag remains in our parks, Obama remains in our jail. Enough is enough with this dirtbag & his dirtbags… Log in to Reply PERRY1980 Posted on November 27, 2011 at 8:00pm You can leave peacefully or you can leave in handcuffs to the jail. your choice. i think we all know what will happen Forrest Gump said it best. stupid is as stupid does. Log in to Reply GARBAGECANLOGIC Posted on November 27, 2011 at 7:24pm Pepper Spray their dumb as*es!! Big time! The U.S. Out Of The U.N. The U.N. Out Of The U.S. Log in to Reply BULLCRAPBUSTER Posted on November 27, 2011 at 7:15pm How does living in a tent illegally on the city hall lawn bring about economic justice? Although one could guess that being an occupier is its own punishment. Log in to Reply PAPAJOHANNESPATRIOT Posted on November 27, 2011 at 6:48pm Arrest as many as you have to so the others will leave of their own accord. The ones you do arrest, send down to Sheriff Joe, and he’ll put them to work. that should help a bit to recoup the costs of the “invasion.“ That might be a more proper term than ”occupation.” Just realized, their occupation or job, has been to squat on the land at the expense of the residents of the city who have to pay all the taxes. Log in to Reply MCNAMARA Posted on November 27, 2011 at 6:38pm Using a flame-thrower, on maybe a few tents would get the rest of them on their way. ;) I am over-occupied…enough of this stuff. You have the right to free speech and peaceful assembly, but not to have the right to occupy. Log in to Reply GREEN_MANALISHI Posted on November 27, 2011 at 6:24pm Let one person go to this camp and put up a tea party/down with obama sign and see how NON VIOLENT these lying occupiers are. If this was a tea party assembly how long would the mayor not evict. Where are the counter occupiers . By the way the occupy members are in reality a racial supremacist hate group intent on erradicating members of other races that they do not want. We have been calling them BROWN PANTS Log in to Reply
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