From New Economics Foundation to Everyone: 03:13 PM
Hi everyone - we’re starting in 4 minutes so please introduce yourselves here!
From 1 Anne Marie Sanguigni to Everyone: 03:13 PM
Anne Marie, nanny in South East London
From Lauren Roberts-Turner to Everyone: 03:14 PM
Hi everyone, Lauren from Hathersage in Derbyshire
From New Economics Foundation to Everyone: 03:15 PM
thank you - please do keep introducing yourselves. Starting in 2 mins
From Keren Jones to Everyone: 03:15 PM
Hi from Keren Jones NEF Deputy Chair
From Linda Heap to Everyone: 03:15 PM
hello from Southport, not sunny at all
From Alice Hemming to Everyone: 03:15 PM
Alice Hemming from Oxford and start-up childcare coop
From Emis Akbari to Everyone: 03:15 PM
Emis Akbari, Professor, Atkinson Centre for Society and Child Development, Toronto, Canada.
From Alice Hemming to Everyone: 03:15 PM
Loving the music!
From New Economics Foundation to Everyone: 03:15 PM
:-)
From AJ Tear to Everyone: 03:16 PM
Hello from Hackney, yes, not sunny here either!
From Alana Powell to Everyone: 03:16 PM
Hi everyone, Alana from the Association of Early Childhood Educators Ontario (Canada)
From Elizabeth Owen to Everyone: 03:16 PM
Liz from Sunny Scotland
From New Economics Foundation to Everyone: 03:16 PM
there was a rainbow 10 mins ago though
(in Hackney)
From Alice Mayo to Everyone: 03:16 PM
Hello, Alice and Andrew from Builth Wells, Powys. Husband and wife childminding team.
From 1 Lucie Stephens to Everyone: 03:16 PM
very rainy in Hackney
From Benedikt Stranak to Everyone: 03:16 PM
Yeah the rainbow was dope
(in Hackney)
From Cheryl Clements to Everyone: 03:16 PM
Hello from East London. What a fab rainbow it was.
From Céline Thomas to Everyone: 03:17 PM
Hi. Céline Thomas from the Women’s Equality Party
From New Economics Foundation to Everyone: 03:17 PM
tweet with #nefbriefing hashtag
please!
From Sara Reis to Everyone: 03:17 PM
Hey everyone, Sara Reis from the Women's Budget Group
From 1 Veronica Deutsch to Everyone: 03:17 PM
Veronica Deutsch, nanny in South East London
From New Economics Foundation to Everyone: 03:17 PM
Register for next week’s briefing: https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZMvdeitrj8uGtEGzPhv5r1Q-vQjhAPL0F5q
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Shazia from Third Door - Coworking and Nursery
From New Economics Foundation to Everyone: 03:17 PM
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From Martin Fodor to Everyone: 03:18 PM
Hi, Martin from Bristol. NEF supporter for 30 years
From Sam Read NEF to Everyone: 03:18 PM
Thanks Martin!
From New Economics Foundation to Everyone: 03:20 PM
Do keep introducing yourselves here
You can also post questions to the speakers here
From Cheryl Clements to Everyone: 03:20 PM
Cheryl Clements - Equal Parenting and Caregiving Spokesperson for Women’s Equality Party
From Harry Cerasale to Everyone: 03:20 PM
Harry from Crouch End, London :)
From Anna Komar to Everyone: 03:20 PM
Hi All, Anna from Swindon here - hope you’re all keeping safe and well :-)
From Donald Saunders to Everyone: 03:20 PM
Hi everyone. Don Saunders North Wales
From carolyn brain to Everyone: 03:22 PM
HI Carolyn from Conwy n wales
From New Economics Foundation to Everyone: 03:23 PM
Please do leave your questions to Lucie here - thanks!
From Margaret Welsh to Everyone: 03:25 PM
Why are parents still being asked to pay for childcare they can't access because of lockdown?
From New Economics Foundation to Everyone: 03:27 PM
Last week’s podcast on childcare: https://neweconomics.org/2020/04/weekly-economics-podcast-childcare-under-lockdown
From Julia Waltham to Everyone: 03:28 PM
Julia from Working Families
From New Economics Foundation to Everyone: 03:32 PM
Do post your questions for Christine in the chat here
From Harry Cerasale to Everyone: 03:33 PM
IS there any countries with policies in place that you would like to see the UK adopt?
From cathy stopes to Everyone: 03:34 PM
why do you think the childcare system in UK is so expensive compared to other countries?
From Emis Akbari to Everyone: 03:34 PM
Some of our provinces/territories in Canada have announced that centres can not charge parents fees for holding their space. Others have not.
From 1 Lucie Stephens to Everyone: 03:34 PM
Ireland and Australia have stepped in to underwrite all childcare fees. This gives providers the confidence that they can continue to operate, it ensures keyworkers have free childcare during the crisis, enabling them to work longer hours and it means non key worker families aren’t being asked to pay
From Julia Waltham to Everyone: 03:34 PM
Yep - we need to get beyond the binary choice between furlough and buckling under strain of working and childcare. Working Families is calling for wage subsidies for reduced hours working to help keep women in work
From Elizabeth Owen to Everyone: 03:34 PM
Is Universal Basic Income not a way to support everyone and possible as expensive as all the furloughing? This values childcare and education into the future
From 1 Lucie Stephens to Everyone: 03:35 PM
Some of the Canadian provinces have been great - and strong on conditions around financial support
From New Economics Foundation to Everyone: 03:36 PM
Christine’s article in Tribune: https://tribunemag.co.uk/2020/03/childcare-in-an-age-of-coronavirus
sorry that what us muting Christine!
From Alana Powell to Everyone: 03:37 PM
Ontario has been one province in Canada to ban programs charging parents fees - however there has been no increase in government support to help the programs survive. It’s created incredible uncertainty and precarity for the sector.
From 1 Lucie Stephens to Everyone: 03:38 PM
the childcare workforce are key workers too. Many are taking personal risks, some have begun to open 24 hrs a day 7 days a week to meet key workers needs but they aren’t being celebrated in the way so many other key workers are
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From Carolyn Norfolk to Everyone: 03:39 PM
Is the value point less about gender but more about the fact that 'caring' as a whole is under valued. You see the same in care for the elderly. Whilst families rely on grandparents (or extended family of either gender) it fails to recognise the true cost of high quality childcare
From 1 Christine Berry to Everyone: 03:40 PM
yes absolutely lucie. the essential service childcare workers deliver and the risks they are running are being erased from the debate just like parents' unpaid work is being erased - it's incredibly frustrating.
From Me to Everyone: 03:40 PM
I am listening in because of the critical need not only to have a NEW economics but also NEW metrics that address issues like the VALUE ot things like child care ... the value add associated with early childhood must be bigger than anything else in life ... PeterB ... working on TrueValueMetrics !!!!!!!!!!!!
From Cheryl Clements to Everyone: 03:44 PM
I thought childcare providers weren’t permitted to furlough after the government’s last minute change? Is that not the case for all?
From Emis Akbari to Everyone: 03:44 PM
Jurisdictions that have been able to quickly and seamlessly respond and provide emergency care have been those that have public child care centres. The City of Toronto has 49 centres that are directly operated and were able to quickly and seamlessly provide high quality child care for essential workers. Other jurisdictions without public centres are struggling. Lucie’s comment on the coordination seen with education is seen here too, what we see when we have public delivery. With childcare and different auspice types we do not see a coordinated response.
From Alana Powell to Everyone: 03:44 PM
That’s a very important conversation we are having in Ontario, Canada - What does decent work for ECEs look like in this new context…
From Sara Reis to Everyone: 03:45 PM
What is the role of local authorities in coordinating this in England? Do people know what has been the local government response to this?
From 1 Lucie Stephens to Everyone: 03:46 PM
co-ordination here has mostly been led by childcare providers and part of their decision to stay open is whether they can afford it. Some key workers have talked about having to move their child between two or three different providers as each takes the decision to close.
each authority is doing their own thing.
some have started offering ‘bonus payments’ to providers who will stay open. but this isn’t new money, it
From Alice Hemming to Everyone: 03:46 PM
Question to Zoe - how do you think childcare providers can be more resilient in future to other shocks - reoccurrence of the virus, impeding recession, climate emergency etc
From New Economics Foundation to Everyone: 03:47 PM
A briefing by Women's Budget Group on childcare and gender highlighting high fees and children missing out
https://wbg.org.uk/analysis/uk-policy-briefings/2019-wbg-briefing-childcare-and-gender/
Petition asking government to set up an emergency fund to ensure nurseries survival and ensure that parents are not charged the full fee by the nurseries to keep children's places.
https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/301836
From 1 Christine Berry to Everyone: 03:47 PM
yes and we haven't really talked about the impact of this on children - being shunted around between different settings, losing social contacts, etc. which in turn makes things even harder for parents trying to look after them with no support/external input whilst trying to keep working as well. the amount of guilt I am seeing from my parent friends (especially mums) is overwhelming.
From New Economics Foundation to Everyone: 03:47 PM
Pregnant then Screwed research on the high cost of childcare in the UK and how it works in the rest of Europe https://pregnantthenscrewed.com/2019/06/07/the-high-cost-of-childcare-in-the-uk-and-why-it-matters/
From Emis Akbari to Everyone: 03:47 PM
We also have to consider the impact of using public dollars to entrench poor quality care. With public dollar expenditure comes responsibility and accountability. Some jurisdictions are using criteria for high quality care prior to providing funds to support centre viability
From 1 Lucie Stephens to Everyone: 03:49 PM
important that any public investment in providers comes with suitable transparency about costs, staff conditions and the quality of provision.
From New Economics Foundation to Everyone: 03:52 PM
Do ask your questions in the chat here. Thanks
From Rachel Laurence to Everyone: 03:55 PM
So much yes to what you are both saying Veronica and Anne Marie!
From rose wilkinson to Everyone: 03:57 PM
Are there any specific recommendations that you could suggest to improve the situation at all?
For parents, nannies and the government.
From 1 Lucie Stephens to Everyone: 03:58 PM
we need to get to a place where access to high quality childcare is universally accessible, but within this there is still a range of ways in which children, families and workers needs can be met.
From Alana Powell to Everyone: 03:58 PM
great quote - thank you for sharing.
From Phoebe Thomson to Everyone: 03:59 PM
brilliant points, thank you Veronica and Anne Marie
From Cheryl Clements to Everyone: 03:59 PM
So many other professions are allowed for people to be passionate and love their role AND get paid properly.
From 1 Lucie Stephens to Everyone: 03:59 PM
the most effective way to start to do this is to shift our approach to childcare funding. we need to invest directly in the providers of the care, and shift away from the market based approach we have now
and collective bargaining across the sector
From 1 Christine Berry to Everyone: 03:59 PM
So much in this that resonates with me as a parent as well. Lots of food for thought thank you so much to you both.
From Emis Akbari to Everyone: 03:59 PM
Public oversight and provision to early learning. Integration with education.
From New Economics Foundation to Everyone: 03:59 PM
If you’re a nanny get in touch with Anne Marie! asanguig@gmail.com
From 1 Veronica Deutsch to Everyone: 03:59 PM
Shadow Mothers - Cameron Lynne Macdonald - everyone read!
From 1 Christine Berry to Everyone: 03:59 PM
What can we do to support your campaign for unionisation?
From New Economics Foundation to Everyone: 04:00 PM
Miranda’s article for OD on nannies and housekeepers: https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/oureconomy/love-doesnt-pay-the-bills/
From 1 Anne Marie Sanguigni to Everyone: 04:00 PM
And @radicalnannyunion on instagram
From Rachel Laurence to Everyone: 04:00 PM
Likewise: I would love to know what those of us who are parents can do to support nanny unionisation?
From Emis Akbari to Everyone: 04:00 PM
Thank you Veronica and Anne - very important voices to those who are often not at the table
From 1 Lucie Stephens to Everyone: 04:00 PM
the most effective campaigns for more affordable and better quality childcare are when workers and parents fight together
From wilf Sullivan to Everyone: 04:00 PM
There are a lot of similarities to the issues facing domestic workers who are partially unionised
From New Economics Foundation to Everyone: 04:00 PM
https://us02web.zoom.us/meeting/register/tZMvdeitrj8uGtEGzPhv5r1Q-vQjhAPL0F5q
From Anna Komar to Everyone: 04:00 PM
Thanks so much for another great briefing! :-)
From Alana Powell to Everyone: 04:00 PM
Thank you!
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From 1 Anne Marie Sanguigni to Everyone: 04:00 PM
Thanks! It’s asanguig@gmail.com to chat more about how we’re working on building a nay union
From Rachel Laurence to Everyone: 04:00 PM
thanks!
From Julia Waltham to Everyone: 04:00 PM
Thanks all
From New Economics Foundation to Everyone: 04:00 PM
Thank you so much for coming everyone!
From 1 Veronica Deutsch to Everyone: 04:00 PM
And @radicalnannyunion on instagram and please look forward to updates from us!
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