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TVM-MDIA Dialog
Started by Mark Roest

Active Particpants: Mark Roest, Peter Burgess, Ed Cherlin. Tim Forseman

Burgess COMMENTARY

Peter Burgess


Gmail Peter Burgess Climate Change 2014: Impacts, Adaptation, and Vulnerability SUMMARY FOR POLICYMAKERS 12 messages
Mark Roest
Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 2:23 PM
To: Tim Foresman , Edward Cherlin , Joy Tang , Arne Garvi , Sahibou Oumarou , David Alan Foster , Peter Burgess , Norm Goundry , Benjamin Spock de Vries

Dear Tim, Ed, Joy, Arne, Sahibou, David, Peter, Norm and Ben,

I just came across a policy gold mine, which was leaked from the IPCC and published here:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/180989207/LEAKED-DRAFT-IPCC-Change-2014-Impacts-Adaptation-and-Vulnerability

It adds up to a highly organized presentation of the organization of causes, effects, mitigation measures, amenability to such measures, and research resources. I see it as being so well organized and comprehensive (at a moderate level of abstraction and generalization) that it can be used successfully to organize the categories in a global GIS / digital earth imaging knolwedgebase, which would realize Doug Engelbart's view that the knowledgebase is the highest level of tool for empowering humanity to solve problems.

Please consider these thoughts, and the resource, within your world view and the scope of your expertise. Then, let's begin to relate our different perspectives, taking it from this starting point to organizing alliances that can move it to implementation and wide use in the world, as a framework for collective action at all scales, from village to planet.

We can each go at the pace we can sustain; I expect lots of synergies to develop which will empower us each and all to have more resources and bandwidth over time.

This can help us each to realize our visions and our individual and collective human potential, at ever-higher levels.

Peter, with specific reference to Community Accountancy, the document could also serve as a framework for evaluation of proposals and implementations of policies and projects, against the most complex challenge humanity now faces. So, you could begin to prepare for the opportunity to integrate Community Accountancy into the knowledgebase, as it is designed and built over the next several years.

Namaste',

Mark


Peter Burgess
Mon, Nov 4, 2013 at 4:02 PM
To: Mark Roest
Cc: Tim Foresman , Edward Cherlin , Joy Tang , Arne Garvi , Sahibou Oumarou , David Alan Foster , Norm Goundry , Benjamin Spock de Vries

Dear Mark

Thank you for sending me this IPCC material. You sent me this a few minutes after I had read an article in the HBR that suggests that economists have not known what they were doing for a long time and have had too much power and influence, a position that I can relate to! http://hbr.org/2013/11/what-weve-learned-from-the-financial-crisis/

My efforts to develop the metrics needed better to manage the performance of society and the economy has evolved significantly in the past few weeks ... in fact more than in the past few years. Part of this has been catalyzed by some conversations with people who know an order of magnitude more maths than I do, and part of it by getting a bit more understanding of the strengths and the weaknesses of big data and open data. I am calling this emerging framework 'Multi Dimension Impact Accounting (MDIA). A short paper (2 pages) and a rather long paper (32) pages about this are accessible via this URL together with a bit of other material. http://www.truevaluemetrics.org/DBadmin/DBtxt001.php?vv1=txt20080001

I am working to figure out a way to integrate the ideas of MDIA into the various initiatives that are already in progress, together with the associated data. Fortunately the data architecture that is emerging allows for development of data along multiple timelines without losing the utility of the data.

I am also trying to figure out how best to cooperate with people who can help pull these ideas along. Fortunately there are others struggling towards the same goals, and in due time, I am sure this will work out.

Thanks you again for sending me this.

Peter Burgess - TrueValueMetrics
Multi Dimension Impact Accounting
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Mark Roest
Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 1:14 AM
To: Peter Burgess

Dear Peter,

My sense is that if you create a layer of community accountancy over their categories, and evaluate the utility of their cited materials for your purpose as part of that effort, in a way that is fractal -- i.e. it works at all scales, from small village or household to global, you will have given Community Accountancy relevance for helping to measure, confront and reverse the causes of climate change where they are located, within every economic action humanity takes, at all scales.

That means there will be a lot of people who will want to use it, and to have it be accepted as the right framework for evaluation, in order to get more leverage for their own work. [Of course, it also means there will be opposition to a tool that can rally humanity to get with the program of peace, and of social and economic justice.]

Once you get to that stage, you will also need to polish it, or enroll others to do so, to a point at which it is so easy to incorporate, and so elegant in its overall design and its workings, that there are no intrinsic barriers to the people who are involved in each action, everywhere and at every scale, doing its evaluation and toting up the balance sheet to see if it is at all acceptable, and comparing it to the benchmarks for superior performance, so they can do better over time.

This would be in harmony with MDIA (I have not followed the link yet, but I will). I am guessing that MDIA is in essence a set of tools; well and good. I'm talking about applying whatever tools you have appropriately to the scale of each event which is measured, and to the successive aggregations of events in the same typological category at each larger and smaller scale. There will be multiple meta-categories of grounds for evaluation of every event. My point is prioritize applying your tools and methodology (and any necessary extensions or alterations) to all of the specific categories documented by the research team that developed this report.

Then let that be the standard to which you aspire for other meta-categories. Get it in use as you go, to get feedback (Agile Design), and go at it again after you catch your breath. Meanwhile, get APIs written to hook into all the significant applications that are relevant to your work. I'm hoping that the knowledgebase will be one of them, and that I will eventually be able to direct resources toward your work.

Regards,

Mark

www.DesignEarth.net -- Co-founder

International Development, SeaWave Battery


Edward Cherlin
Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 9:11 PM
To: Mark Roest
Cc: Tim Foresman , Joy Tang , Arne Garvi , Sahibou Oumarou , David Alan Foster , Peter Burgess , Norm Goundry , Benjamin Spock de Vries

I don't see the rush. None of this is actually new information. Most of it was in previous IPCC reports, and will be in the next one after this draft is reviewed and corrected. The draft explicitly states that it is not to be published or cited. So what should we do with it?

Our fundamental problem is with people to whom no facts are relevant. The essential fact for us to deal with them is that the technologies and the markets are speaking, and saying that we can ignore the denialists.

It is nearly impossible to fund coal-fired power plants in open financial markets without government backing or coercion. The US is now shutting down coal-fired plants faster than it is building them, and it is only a matter of time before even India and China follow. Renewables cost less than coal or oil in much of the world, and costs are continuing to decline rapidly toward an inevitable intersection with natural gas, particularly if leakage from natural gas wells is taken into account. We are doing well on electric and hybrid cars, and making some progress toward biodiesel for trucks and trains, and biofuels for jet planes. Research in steelmaking continues toward capturing carbon in the alloy with iron and not allowing it to escape into the atmosphere. We could at some point use hydrogen extracted from water rather than methane in producing ammonia, as Iceland does now using excess hydropower. And so on through all the rest of the processes that put out CO2.

There is an active conversation around research in geoengineering to capture and sequester CO2, which poses little-understood environmental hazards of its own.

There is much more happening than I can list here, but the short version is that we are approaching the tipping point which will become known as Peak Carbon. Up until you reach a tipping point, it is possible to get the idea that nothing is happening. After you reach it, it becomes increasingly obvious that everything is happening at once.

It will still take quite a while to complete the conversion to renewables by shutting down existing plants, and find ways to deal with CO2 already in the air and seas, but the process is no longer dominated by partisan politics, no matter how self-important the denialists may be, or how much air time they may get in the news.

--
Edward Mokurai (默雷/निशब्दगर्ज/نشبدگرج) Cherlin
Silent Thunder is my name, and Children are my nation.
The Cosmos is my dwelling place, the Truth my destination.
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Replacing_Textbooks


foresman@earthparty.org
Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 6:19 AM
To: Edward Cherlin , Mark Roest
Cc: Joy Tang , Arne Garvi , Sahibou Oumarou , David Alan Foster , Peter Burgess , Norm Goundry , Benjamin Spock de Vries

Ed et al: Many good points presented. We must remind ourselves of at least two facts. One, never underestimate the difficulty of changing peoples' opinions with facts. If one has made up their mind, facts to the contrary only reinforce their resilience to the facts. Sincere denialists (I laughed as I wrote that) actually, according to recent psychological research, become more convinced that climate change is simply a natural cycle and that we should ignore it, when ever confronted with new data and information. The same holds true for evolution, Saddam Hussein's attack on 9/11, et cetera. Slowly educating the next generation is a worthy cause and should be continued.

I remember arguing with Bill McKibben and his young acolytes when he selected 350 as his organization's moniker. I mentioned that we were screaming into 400 ppm and beyond, even if we ignored the other 100 ppm of radiative forcing gases like methane that combined gives us about 500 ppm at present. But the battle is not amongst ourselves with petty pedantic punditry, but rather it is with understanding the Earth and its biota's trajectory and how we wish to accommodate myriad changes and challenges presented to our collective selves. Please note how our the President and team snuck in the new executive order on Climate Adaptation with his executive order. Apparently it is national gird your loins month!

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2013/11/01/fact-sheet-executive-order-climate-preparedness

https://www.federalregister.gov/articles/2013/11/06/2013-26785/preparing-the-united-states-for-the-impacts-of-climate-change

We will need to continue to focus on the ideals of making life in the village a better bargain for our brothers and sisters and the little ones too. And that is different in every sector of the world. In Syria, it sucks. In Bangladesh it is fragile. In the Philippine, well, it looks like god isn't to keen on those poor souls. So that challenge is big and growing exponentially bigger all the time.

Lately, I have been spending more time working with neighbors and community groups to help with a understanding of the transitions required for we citizens to sustain and nourish our lives together. The human interaction is great for me, albeit, I have not increased my assessment of hope for humanity.

For Earth's Sake, keep up the good works.

Cheers, Tim

Dr. Tim Foresman
443-622-9464
foresman@earthparty.org
www.earthparty.org
International Center for Remote Sensing Education


Edward Cherlin
Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 1:39 PM
To: Tim Foresman
Cc: Mark Roest , Joy Tang , Arne Garvi , Sahibou Oumarou , David Alan Foster , Peter Burgess , Norm Goundry , Benjamin Spock de Vries

I am sorry that your thoughtful reply got buried before the holiday. I am just now getting dug out.

You are correct in explaining that we cannot convert the True Believers. We have known this since Galileo. But it turns out that we are converting their children in droves, when they are still open to facts. The Right has been losing members at the rate of about 1% of the total US population annually, more than three million mostly young people a year. This is in line with historical political trends such as votes for women, which took 50 years to reach majority status, for an average of 1% annually.

That is too slow. So the more important fact is that the markets have spoken, and coal is already in terminal decline. We can see how to get to the peaks and then the declines for oil and gas using technologies in early products or currently in the lab.

That is also too slow to avoid serious consequences. But there are those planning for those consequences.

I also work on another line of attack on the problem, education and access to technology for a billion children at a time (all of them). I have considerable hope that a billion educated children able to contact each other to form friendships and alliances will, as Doug Engelbart hoped, be able to enhance their collective intelligence in a way that will address these problems, and any other harder problems that may remain after we get rid of poverty, most oppression, most government corruption, and most war.

Edward Mokurai (默雷/निशब्दगर्ज/نشبدگرج) Cherlin
Silent Thunder is my name, and Children are my nation.
The Cosmos is my dwelling place, the Truth my destination.
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Replacing_Textbooks


foresman@earthparty.org
Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 2:59 PM
To: Edward Cherlin
Cc: Mark Roest , Joy Tang , Arne Garvi , Sahibou Oumarou , David Alan Foster , Peter Burgess , Norm Goundry , Benjamin Spock de Vries

Ed: Thanks for the note. You are indeed doing great work. My approach to the children is to tell the truth and empower them with tools we think can make a difference. I recently spoke to about 500 young (10-12) children in Brisbane at a few schools. They raise my heart many levels. We have frank discussions and we discuss their future and how to get there safely and sanely. This in a country that just removed their carbon tax. I remain pragmatic in what I believe we can do to soften the blow as we continue to transform the planet in non-sustainable ways. I will remain idealistic in how much hope we can place with the children. I am very pessimistic towards the success of any scheme to lessen the grip of power from military, media, energy, and political strangleholds around the world.

May your and your like-minding tribes continue to be blessed in spreading good thoughts and actions.

Cheers to all, Tim

Dr. Tim Foresman
443-622-9464
foresman@earthparty.org
www.earthparty.org
International Center for Remote Sensing Education


Peter Burgess
Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 5:46 PM
To: Tim Foresman
Cc: Edward Cherlin , Mark Roest , Joy Tang , Arne Garvi , Sahibou Oumarou , David Alan Foster , Norm Goundry , Benjamin Spock de Vries

Thanks everyone for your insightful thinking and efforts to move the dialog in a useful direction.

As many have observed, young people seem to 'get it' a whole lot more than my generation of leadership, and this should be a basis for considerable optimism. I also argue that the science and technology that we have now is a many orders of magnitude more powerful than what was available when I graduated a little over 50 years ago.

Amazing technology and better educated youth should be the basis for a wonderful future ... better by far, than anything that there has ever been before.

My own effort is quite narrow ... I want metrics that are meaningful and about everything that really matters. In my view good metrics that will help to move the needle will be agnostic about the process, but rigorous and reliable about the results.

I am getting push back from people who are pushing forward with all sorts of sustainability initiatives. They argue that you have to decide what you want to do before you can know what to measure. This is poppycock! You ought to have measures right at the start so that you can determine whether or not the idea is working or not. If the measures show good performance, do more of it, if not make changes.

In making effective rapid systemic change, I am arguing now that it is consumers that will be one of the big drivers. Young consumers are driven by all sorts of mobile devices and the major marketers are optimizing their reach into this demographic. The big data analytics are all about moving more product so that their corporate clients make more profit and can afford to pay for the analytics. The technology of big data analytics ought to be pushing information about products to potential customers so that they know more and more about the impact of the product on society, and can change their behavior accordingly.

Several years ago there was a lot of work on Life Cycle Assessment (LCA) but it does not seem to be much on the radar at this point in time. This might be because it was good but detailed and difficult to use in a practical way without a lot of funding. Metrics that are complex and costly will not get traction. Professional sports have very simple metrics for who wins and who loses, but behind this there are all sorts of amazing statistics to help manage how the game is played. The same goes for the corporate world ... profit and stock price are easily understood, the complexity of their operations is another matter, but there are metrics everywhere in any well run corporate organization.

When it comes to society as a whole ... meaningful metrics are conspicuous by their absence

Peter Burgess - TrueValueMetrics
Multi Dimension Impact Accounting
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Edward Cherlin
Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 7:27 PM
To: Peter Burgess
Cc: Tim Foresman , Mark Roest , Joy Tang , Arne Garvi , Sahibou Oumarou , David Alan Foster , Norm Goundry , Benjamin Spock de Vries

Peter Drucker (1909—2005)

The important and difficult job is never to find the right answers, it is to find the right question. For there are few things as useless—if not dangerous—as the right answer to the wrong question.

The most serious mistakes are not made as a result of wrong answers. The truly dangerous thing is asking the wrong questions.

Men, Ideas and Politics, Harvard Business Review Press, 2010

Quoted in Right Answer, Wrong Query, Statistics Roundtable, Quality Progress, March 2010.

John Tukey (1915—2000)

Far better an approximate answer to the right question, which is often vague, than an exact answer to the wrong question, which can always be made precise.

'Sunset Salvo,' The American Statistician, Vol. 40, No. 1, 1986, pp. 72-76.

Quoted in Right Answer, Wrong Query, Statistics Roundtable, Quality Progress, March 2012.

If you can not measure it, you can not improve it. Lord Kelvin

Edward Mokurai (默雷/निशब्दगर्ज/نشبدگرج) Cherlin
Silent Thunder is my name, and Children are my nation.
The Cosmos is my dwelling place, the Truth my destination.
http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Replacing_Textbooks


foresman@earthparty.org
Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 8:38 PM
To: Peter Burgess
Cc: Edward Cherlin , Mark Roest , Joy Tang , Arne Garvi , Sahibou Oumarou , David Alan Foster , Norm Goundry , Benjamin Spock de Vries

Peter: Reasonable people might argue about the better metrics for tracking our 'progress' in the world. While running the GEO 3 series for UNEP, it was my hope that we (all the 192 members) could install a running tally of the things we wanted to county, be it trees, people, coral reefs, et cetera. The dream did not reach needed consensus and so the old habit of spending lots of money to rig up teams around world to assess the global and regional conditions.

Today, I believe that a psuedo crowd sourcing, akin to open street map, is needed to provide the foundation of data required for UNEP (and others) to conduct their GEO series assessments and deliver to the leadership of 190+ nations. If we use citizen-scientists crowd sourcing for our metrics of the planet then perhaps a more engaged group of Earth denizens may become more invested and active about the issues of sustainability and better managing our world. I certainly do not expect national leaders to do what is needed to stop the madness, but perhaps our fellow citizens will. I wish you well on your journey.

Cheers, Tim

Dr. Tim Foresman
443-622-9464
foresman@earthparty.org
www.earthparty.org
International Center for Remote Sensing Education


Edward Cherlin
Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 10:41 PM
To: Tim Foresman
Cc: Peter Burgess , Mark Roest , Joy Tang , Arne Garvi , Sahibou Oumarou , David Alan Foster , Norm Goundry , Benjamin Spock de Vries

That would be a delightful project. We would have to think about how to invite participation and how to put the information together. If you do try to make this happen, spare a thought for the millions of children in One Laptop Per Child programs in dozens of countries. Perhaps we could make a version of an app or a survey to offer to them. It shouldn't be all left to the grownups.


Mark Roest
Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 1:06 AM
To: Peter Burgess , Tim Foresman , Edward Cherlin
Cc: Joy Tang , Arne Garvi , Sahibou Oumarou , David Alan Foster , Norm Goundry , Benjamin Spock de Vries , Jack Park

Dear Peter, Tim, Ed and All,

There is an excellent way to handle the presentation of actionable information in a meaningful, readily accessible way, and there is a body of data to add to the work on Life Cycle Assessment (LCA), which we (or others) may be able to access.

Pharos is or was a U.S. initiative to help people choose building supplies. They gathered data on 15 variables related to environmental, workforce, customer empowerment, end-of-life, and other categories of impacts for each material or product. Different product categories could have different impact categories measured and / or aggregated to arrive at 15 (for graphic consistency), depending on what they identified as significant.

They assigned values to the data in each category: bad (red), borderline (orange), and good (green), like traffic lights. They made a graphic mistake in showing red near the center of the pie, orange in the middle range, and green; only the red would show for bad, but the red and orange would show in the slice with the green for good. It will be far better to have the entire pie slice be in the single color that applies to the impact category. It will also be far better to include all products, and even all identifiable services, and to match incumbent categories with replacement categories. An example of the latter is to match internal combustion automobiles and pickup trucks with electric vehicles, and with efficient transit and transport alternatives, in combination with design of urban and rural places and economies to minimize required trips. So if a knowledgebase documents a new design for an economy, vehicles designed for the current system get an orange rating in this impact category, and those well-designed for the new economy get a green.

This gives consumers and organizations the opportunity to plan ahead with their purchases, even if it will be a little more expensive or less convenient in the short term, while the paradigm shift is under way. It can provide extremely powerful support for grass-roots-based, asynchronous, multi-sector, virtual coordination to achieve the paradigm shift, across the entire 99%. (If the current polarization between the Tea Party and the rest of the 99% continues, it can facilitate fluid decision-making and effective action, despite their opposition. Psychologically, that will cause loose adherents to peel away as they realize that it is a lost cause, eventually 'consigning it to the dust-bin of history'.)

I would correlate each individual product with its UPC code, which is almost impossible to hide, given today's inventory control technology. When faced with a choice of products in a store, the consumer simply scans each shelf tag (or package if necessary) with a smart phone or computer camera, resulting in a row of pie charts with varying amounts and distributions of red, orange and green for the products offered. The consumer can click on a chart for more details, and click again on a specific pie slice for more detail yet, and (presumably) click on any statement for the research that backs it up. This essentially dis-intermediates the merchant and the manufacturer's advertising from the decision-making process. Just as Adam Smith expected (and was used to), everyone has (nearly) complete information about each provider at their fingertips, during the moment of decision. (If manufacturers and merchants switch to near-field signaling or another non-visual system, phones can evolve to read the new codes, which can be paired with the line items in the database.)

So where do we get the data? From the work on Life Cycle Assessment (LCA), from Project Censored, from the environmental movement, from unions (they are happy to name the union-busters they deal with), from health care and public health systems and their outcomes research (much more coming soon), from workers compensation / safety agencies and their causation research, and from crowd-sourcing (to get information on both good and bad from the people who witness it). Also from the REACH Initiative of the European Union, which has been forcing EU manufacturers to spill the beans on their environmental impacts for years now, and which gave our Department of Commerce a copy of the database, asking only that they share whatever research they do on the subject, in return. The project would need to get access to the database, and hopefully also get an agreement to receive updates, either from the DoC or from the REACH Initiative.

In other words, in this scenario, there is no way to hide for corporate (or local) pirates. This will slash their political power quite rapidly.

And regarding Ed's last note, guess who has time on their hands, gets into everything and everywhere, is often obsessively desirous of being a super-hero, and always wants to be able to contribute? Why, children, of course! Give them the tools to document (and geo-locate) every bad smell, every toxic spill, every frown or sneer, every suffering person, every anything that is not nice and does not feel good, and they will use those tools at every opportunity! Better yet, also encourage them to document and celebrate everything that is nice and feels good! Aggregate all that at multiple geographic scales, and make it as actionable as is feasible, and we will have enormous business leverage, and a whole new political scenario.

Peter, I think this would solve the problem you raised; it would become a meme; and it would greatly accelerate the replacement of bad products, or products from bad companies, with good ones. The stock market, because of its speculative nature, would anticipate earnings declines among those manufacturers / products identified as bad, or even as less good than their best competitors, and would reduce their stock valuations accordingly. That is the ultimate punishment in business culture, because it reduces companies' power to access capital at preferential prices compared with competitors, placing them on a slippery slope that ultimately falls away precipitously. That withdrawal of support for the bad companies creates large financial holdings looking for favorable places to invest -- which are, of course, the good alternatives! Thus the good companies get both the brand credibility and the capital availability to rapidly expand their market share.

Because this all takes place within the fundamental publicly declared rules of 'the system', it has the psychological impact of a natural evolution, and a market takeover can occur in a fraction of the time required to erode the right wing under a 'business as usual' scenario. If the Blessed Unrest is unable to persuade legislative, executive and Congressional incumbents to change horses, the new leaders will be the ones with surplus capital to spend on the political process, and they will be able to fund their socially-supported challengers sufficiently to allow upsets at the polls. If the Democratic Party remains locked down by corporate interests even under these circumstances (and even if it isn't), the Green Party will welcome the new coalition. A new plurality will be surprisingly easy to create within one or two election cycles. (There are several other aspects to that which I won't cover here.)

Obviously those who are, or who recognize that they will be, identified as bad or marginal, will seek to block this process, so it needs to be easy to download, store, and update it, both as a whole and in specific market segments, and designers need to ensure that the repositories are so widespread and so hardened that they cannot be eliminated. By giving lots of people the capacity to update them, yet maintaining audit trails of (and metrics about) changes to guard against distortion for any reason, the system can have the resilience and flexibility to shine a light on attackers and the companies they seek to protect, as well as on the already-known bad apples among manufacturers.

Perhaps not so obviously, there is also a Geographic Information System aspect to this work. Most of the really well-recognized brands are global corporations, but the majority of small, independent businesses are local or regional. While the TPP and other trade agreements are designed to crush local competition to global brands (and extractive and manufacturing industries) by removing their regulatory protections, this database can use one pie slice to show whether a business is local or regional (green), national (orange), or international and not from a local, regional or national organization (red), and when you click on it, show its geographic territory. This would probably not be anticipated by the current trade regimes, and it would be difficult for them to outlaw it, since it would not be a government-sponsored operation, but rather, a broadly-supported, and unifying, initiative of the Blessed Unrest [Paul Hawken], operating under the protection of free speech laws and public advocacy law groups. By doing it well and documenting how and how well, it could have a very good chance of maintaining that protection, and it would be a very good rallying position for resistance to government collusion and / or oppression in any related arena.

Finally, Peter, the above does not specifically address 'society as a whole', but it covers the underpinnings of the current organization of power. It would be technically feasible to expand it beyond products and services to any other potential subject of decision or discussion. And should societies reach the point of wanting to have a completely robust, curated discussion of every issue, Jack Park has developed a design for supporting just that; he was kind enough to give me a white-board presentation a few years ago. Should we want to add a good means of voting to existing discussion platforms, the California Green Party is using a fairly good one for votes by its Standing General Assembly, which supports Ranked Choice Voting. Anyone wanting to could adopt it or expand on it.

Namaste',

Mark



Climate Change 2014: Impacts, Adaptation, and Vulnerability SUMMARY FOR POLICYMAKERS
Peter Burgess
Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 11:54 PM
To: Mark Roest
Cc: Tim Foresman , Edward Cherlin , Joy Tang , Arne Garvi , Sahibou Oumarou , David Alan Foster , Norm Goundry , Benjamin Spock de Vries , Jack Park

Dear Mark

It has taken me a little while to digest the many pieces of your message ... and I really cannot do it justice yet. There is no question, however, that the framework for analysis that is emerging as Multi Dimension Impact Accounting (MDIA) needs to be translated into something that has some level of mathematical rigor and can be understood by people with tech competence as well as by people who want to make policy.

Ed reminded us 'Far better an approximate answer to the right question, which is often vague, than an exact answer to the wrong question, which can always be made precise.' and I am very much in agreement with that thought.

I also remind myself that the cost of metrics must be a tiny amount relative to the value of the metrics. In my past this has meant having management information that is the least amount of data effort that enables highly reliable good decisions to be made.

As you know I spent some of my time in the past involved with factory management and cost accounting. Accurate cost accounting is a nightmare and never achieved., On the other hand standard costing techniques will achieve reliable results at relatively little cost. In MDIA the idea of standard values comes from this experience.

I have also done project work for the World Bank and others where my job was to calculate the value chain for various products from farmer through to eventual customer. This has now reappeared as the product dimension of MDIA.

In my work in various places around the world, I have been made aware of the tremendous difference in socio-economic performance between different places. When you walk around these places it becomes pretty obvious what is wrong, but this knowledge gets lost in the most of the data collection done to satisfy national level surveys (often paid for by the international ODA community). There is therefore a place dimension in the MDIA framework.

Over the years I have worked in a variety of organizations. Some have been big multinational corporations, some have been government agencies and parastatals, some have been not for profits, some have been cooperatives, some have been unincorporated groups. The success of an organization, in my view, is secondary to the success of society. The MDIA framework, unlike almost all, if not all, the other initiatives to have reform of the system of metrics, does not have the organization at the center of everything.

Rather MDIA has an economic activity at the center of the analysis. Like a department or a small subsidiary that is part of a big company, the economic activity can be consolidated to reflect the total performance of the big organization. But these economic activities can also be consolidated to be the performance of the place, and they can be consolidated over the life cycles of a product.

There is another concept from accounting that I am using. Because of the double entry construct in accounting and the idea that some accounts are balance sheet accounts and some are P&L accounts, there are two ways to get at performance. One way is to add up all the P&L transactions which is often difficult if not impossible. Another way is to look at the changes in the balance sheet over the period. This is often relatively easy, and much easier to validate if that proves necessary.

I am not sure if this is an accurate mathematical statement ... but my economic activity is where multiple sets of fractals intersect: products, reflecting all the costs of production; people, being a cost of production and a value to production and a value to society (place); minerals and energy; being special cases of product with important impact on planet; and money capital, serving as a lubricant to facilitate efficient exchange.

Obviously this all gets very data intensive at any scale ... but it can build over time. The challenge is to get it started on the right track.

I appreciate the help that has appeared in this series of exchanges. Thank you very much.

Peter Burgess - TrueValueMetrics
Multi Dimension Impact Accounting
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